"A very ignornant comment indeed. Unless you know the entire story, dont be so quick to judge. "

Well, I guess after learning the entire story, you decided to change your ignorant sig...

Funny thing is, the priceless tag didn't seem so foul to you when it you were directing it at others....I just find it funny that the experience is not as priceless as you would have most people believe.

 

Good guess...however you are incorrect.

the priceless tag might have been a little out of line (i wouldnt go as far as saying "foul"), but it was more humorous than anything else...and a point to those that always chant "YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR" nonsense.

Im sorry you took such offense to that. But out of respect for my fellow friends, etc., I took it down.

In regards to experience....1 person had a bad experience and the cause was never determined. I speak for myself when I talk about experience and with 28K on the clock and not 1 problem whatsoever, what more could I ask for?

 

Hey, I was just having a little fun with the whole "priceless" thing...no harm intended, and I am happy that you have a car that rocks...In fact. I hope your next 28k are as trouble free.

Problems can arise with any car, the question is how well is the product supported after the fact ? Sounds like twinvipers got frustrated, put it back to stock, and the problem was gone.

Contrast this to my experience with Ruf...any issue arises, and support is 110%. In fact, I had the second gear popping out issue with the transmission recently and my dealer was deciding whether they could fix it because Ruf had worked on the car. I put in a call to Ruf in Germany and their tech called the service guys at the dealer over here. Now they are deciding whether or not to just send Christian Treiber over from Germany to look at it at my house (I have a lift). Following my initial call to Ruf, I got an email from Estonia Ruf within 10 minutes assuring me that they were behind my R Turbo 100 % and that they would do whatever it takes to get the issue resolved.

To me, that is what makes the whole experience worth it.

 

Thanks....I hope so too. With time and more mileage, we'll see how everything works out. So far...rock solid.

Believe me, i'll be the first to speak should issues arise.

Good luck with your car...glad to hear RUF is 100% behind you.

Something i'll consider when I get into a new turbo....support seems to be excellent.

 

So basically the upsolute stage 2 track record is 1 working car and 1 not working car? So basically, 50% of cars with upsolute stage 2 run well and 50% don't. Are there any other cars out there with it?

Evo is by no means pefect but this type of thing makes them look better, I remember some stage IV GT horror stories as well.

 

3 working cars to 1!

My comment to the masses would be if you need a lot of hand holding (not mechanically inclined) or looking for big HP go with someone that provides a complete package that's been around....e.g., IA, RUF, etc.

If you want to try something new, looking for roughly 600HP and DONT MIND datalogging and doing some leg work, the results can be very rewarding...such as in my case. 1.2 bar all day long and no driveability issues, no lag, great A/F numbers/diagnostics, etc.

I only speak for myself in terms of experience. I had great success with the K16 program...thus the go ahead with the custom program from upsolute. In terms of service, I've had no issues. Rene has always been very prompt in returning my calls and emails. Grant it, I am mechanically inclined, so if problems exist, I know what to look for, etc.

The setup that I have rips...if I had to do it again, I would without hesitation.

I've never claimed upsolute to be the best, nor have I ever put down a tuner, so let's not make this a GIAC vs. upsolute battle, etc.

I've just had great experiences with them to this day and that's that. Should things change, then so be it.

-best

 

I just tracked my car at Gingerman this past weekend... great power, and no issues... can't think of a better test. I've got the Kevin billet-backing-plated ported-housing ceramic-coated-headers/turbo Stage II with the program that Bill pioneered with Rene/Upsolute. Previously, I had the Upsoluge K16 program for 1 year and 9k miles with not one hicup.

The ABS/PSM did come on once, but I knew that it might, as I've got the wastegate 1/3 of a turn beyond the 1.1BAR setting that the Upsolute program was intended for. MAF Limit was probably exceeded, as can happen because I'm riding at the limits of the MAF limit.

Rene has my datalogs, and is currently having Upsolute/Austria uncork my MAP limits. I should be hearing from Rene any day now. Afterwards, I'll probably do one more tuning session to tighten things up. Stay tuned...

 

That is excellent. All tuners can learn from that if they want repeat business or to expand their business. It's not just hand holding during the install/test phase that's important. The question is will they back you up NO MATTER WHAT when their work is challenged by the dealer/manufacturer. Looks like Ruf's reputation is rock solid, just like their cars.

 

What are the stock MAP limits and how can you 'uncork' it without installing a new MAP with different calibration?

 

alot of hand holding ???

I was told this set-up would work. As I was told mt 946RWHP Viper set-up would also. Drive my Viper into the nines with no hand holding or problems.

 

The ECU has it's own internal error triggers, the MAP Limit being one of them. Increasing the limit will allow for higher boost while not exceeding the capabilities of the stock MAF output.

 

Twinvipers... man, really sorry to hear about your problems. It's really too bad. Definitely one of the disadvantages of not going with a full service setup from one of the tuners like IA, RUF, Orton, etc. Can really leave a bad taste for all the headache... good luck to whatever's next on the plate!

 

Thanks Stephen,

I'm sure I'll get another Turbo. Next time I'll go with EVO.

 

Jeff....

I too am sorry things didnt work out. Next time...go for the BIG Power (800+ WHP) to keep up with those crazy viper numbers.

 

Bill,

I do appreciate your help very much. I do tend to get fed up quickly.

I would need alot more than 800whp in a Turbo to go in the 9's.