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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 06:34 PM
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You can check my car out in the photo gallery under Rick's 996TT I have a bar and removed the rear seats (although it's not necessary.
 
Old Jan 20, 2009 | 06:42 PM
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here's a pic...
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jcb-memphis
Not sure it would be safe with kids in back with that in the car....

Just a thought.

JB

good point. you would probably have to pad it so that if you have an accident with kids in back, their noggins do not smack the bare bar.

Also another note is that some of these bars may not qualify in certain racing applications. I know of one person who had to remove a quality roll cage because it was made of small diameter chromoly, but yet, the cheaper aluminum large diameter tube roll bar was ok. Go figure.
 
Old Jan 20, 2009 | 07:36 PM
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I have the roll bar in my TT and my 5 and 9yr olds fit fine... but you should have a long pad handy (like in your trunk) so when the kiddies are in the back.. Good luck I'll keep my eye out for you... HOLLYWOOD
 
Old Jan 21, 2009 | 07:36 AM
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If you are using your car for DE's a harness bar and good safety harnesses will be fine, if you are doing a lot of DE's and they are at fast tracks a roll bar may be in order, but on the street a roll bar isn't a great idea...even for the driver. You would be surprised how far the factory belts will allow you to move in an accident, and no amount of padding is enough to protect your head from a metal bar. The padding is just to keep you from hitting the bars in day-to-day entering and exiting, not so much for a crash. If you have a roll bar, you should have harnesses in place to hold you securely in place.


It does look cool though.
 
Old Jan 21, 2009 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by mattheissengine
if you are using your car for de's a harness bar and good safety harnesses will be fine, if you are doing a lot of de's and they are at fast tracks a roll bar may be in order, but on the street a roll bar isn't a great idea...even for the driver. You would be surprised how far the factory belts will allow you to move in an accident, and no amount of padding is enough to protect your head from a metal bar. The padding is just to keep you from hitting the bars in day-to-day entering and exiting, not so much for a crash. If you have a roll bar, you should have harnesses in place to hold you securely in place.


It does look cool though.

+ 100. In a crash, with a padded bar, the kids would not have a chance....head trauma is not pretty stuff (I did my peds ER rotation .....). I hate preaching. Consider this just a data point people. You are all adults and I sure as heck don't know everything. No bar in my car until my kids are out...unless it came in and out for DE's only (I think the DAS does that). Pundits with whom I have spoken felt that save a complete "system" the OEM, stock stuff is probably safer than any frankensystem.
 

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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jcb-memphis
+ 100. In a crash, with a padded bar, the kids would not have a chance....head trauma is not pretty stuff (I did my peds ER rotation .....). I hate preaching. Consider this just a data point people. You are all adults and I sure as heck don't know everything. No bar in my car until my kids are out...unless it came in and out for DE's only (I think the DAS does that). Pundits with whom I have spoken felt that save a complete "system" the OEM, stock stuff is probably safer than any frankensystem.
Very good points. As I thought about it more, it makes sense that a rollbar in the back is going to be more dangerous than no rollbar simply becaues something hard will be in closer proximity to the occupants.

I won't be putting a rollbar in anytime soon...not ready to give this up yet (this pic was in my old C2, but the kids love the turbo even more):
 
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If anyone who offered up a rollbar for sale doesn't find a buyer in one of the original requesters here... please contact me! =) Just need it to fit under a sunroof.
 
Old Jan 22, 2009 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Scottslaw
Very good points. As I thought about it more, it makes sense that a rollbar in the back is going to be more dangerous than no rollbar simply becaues something hard will be in closer proximity to the occupants.

I won't be putting a rollbar in anytime soon...not ready to give this up yet (this pic was in my old C2, but the kids love the turbo even more):
That is an awesome picture Beautiful family!

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here's a pic...
Thanks Rick... btw, glad to hear your car is back up and running

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If anyone who offered up a rollbar for sale doesn't find a buyer in one of the original requesters here... please contact me! =) Just need it to fit under a sunroof.
Originally Posted by doctorv8
I've got a nice Tequipment bar leather wrapped by Ruf for sale if you are interested.
Contact Doc... I think he still has his RUF bar

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Old Jan 22, 2009 | 03:24 PM
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That is an awesome picture Beautiful family!

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Thanks Edwin. Those little suckers love riding in the car (on that occassion they just wanted to go for a late-night ride on a Saturday night, and by the time we got home they were both out cold).
 
Old Jan 22, 2009 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Scottslaw
Thanks Edwin. Those little suckers love riding in the car (on that occassion they just wanted to go for a late-night ride on a Saturday night, and by the time we got home they were both out cold).
Haha... I know what you mean. My 5 y/o and 3 y/o nephew wanted a ride in "uncle edwin's race car" and when we were going around the neighborhood, the younger one said "uncle edwin, I want you to do a spin (aka donuts)" Got to love them

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Originally Posted by Scottslaw
This may be true, but does anyone know for sure? My kids (6 and 4) love riding in the turbo.
I had one in my old 996 for a very short time. The bar is right there, very easy for the kids to bang their heads, even in a minor accident. Padding helps, but it is still a very hard hit. I decided it was far too dangerous and removed it after a couple of weeks. Just not worth it, roll bars are not safe on the street. I later sold it, shipping was a nightmare as I recall, had to use Greyhound.
If you do get it, have somebody install it that has actually done it before. There are a lot of tricks and potential landmines during the install. Not a fun DIY.
 

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I have heard you don't want any kids back there after installing a roll bar. mainly due to the chance of them striking their head on the bar in an accident. Can anyone confirm?
 
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I have heard you don't want any kids back there after installing a roll bar. mainly due to the chance of them striking their head on the bar in an accident. Can anyone confirm?
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It is true. If you think about it, if kids are in the car and it gets side swiped, the kids heads/body are essentially surrounded by metal beams that can cause more trama and damage than it not being there, which is why lots of people caution having roll bars installed in cars that are not solely used for track

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Ari, although I don't have any specific technical nor medical data to back it up, but if you think about it, it's pretty clear that a roll bar is an added danger to anyone in the back (sometimes even in front with cars with full roll cages)

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Just wanted to update... I installed my non-x-brace roll bar last weekend without a hitch. It took about 4 hours by myself (with the help of a female friend for 5 min to get the bar in). The hardest part was getting the bar in but even that part wasn't too bad. I did take out the center console which I think made it easier.

I think if I was to do it again (with the help of a friend), I can get it done in 2 hours. It's really not that bad

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