Do you really need big heads/valves for nearly 1000hp?
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I know Chad, I was just giving you a hard time. I am most likely done with this car anyway, time to run it at the mile and then take it home and just use it...
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Sean, I hope we get to chat while we are in the staging lanes at TX, we might actually have something in common!
No I guess I need your intercoolers instead ...Ha ha
No I guess I need your intercoolers instead ...Ha ha
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1. Congrats KPG, see you at the mile.
2. Sean, your car has NOT THE SLIGHTEST CHANCE against an 800 rwhp Supra.
3. We all saw your car dyno 560 rwhp at TX2K8...
Carry on now...
Peter
p.s. don't kid yourself, no one in this community or in Houston has any respect for you...
2. Sean, your car has NOT THE SLIGHTEST CHANCE against an 800 rwhp Supra.
3. We all saw your car dyno 560 rwhp at TX2K8...
Carry on now...
Peter
p.s. don't kid yourself, no one in this community or in Houston has any respect for you...
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1. Congrats KPG, see you at the mile.
2. Sean, your car has NOT THE SLIGHTEST CHANCE against an 800 rwhp Supra.
3. We all saw your car dyno 560 rwhp at TX2K8...
Carry on now...
Peter
p.s. don't kid yourself, no one in this community or in Houston has any respect for you...
2. Sean, your car has NOT THE SLIGHTEST CHANCE against an 800 rwhp Supra.
3. We all saw your car dyno 560 rwhp at TX2K8...
Carry on now...
Peter
p.s. don't kid yourself, no one in this community or in Houston has any respect for you...
see at the staging lanes, you can hand the people driving Gatorade
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I hear you Chad...
Keep in mind these are 3.6 liters & this was made @ 1.5 bar of boost which I believe isn't crazy boost. I think they are pretty responsive
.So there is the potential to make more power if desired.
Another thing Kevin did not mention is that these are full Ecu controlled cars (no Boost controller, external wastegates or large y pipes) therefore keeping all the safety measures in place.
by all means these are not going to be the fastest at the mile, but to 150-MPH I like my chances against most cars
. Bottom line if you want the Sledgehammer go big on Everything, but if want a great all around 800+AWHP 760+awtq sleeper that can hang with the top dogs here you go!!!
Thanks to Evoms for making this package come to life..more than exceeded my expectations
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Last edited by PAULIEWALNUTS; Oct 10, 2009 at 06:26 AM.
Nope, I just got my car dialed in at EVOMS today getting ready for the mile and we put the car back on the dyno in weather similar to that which topgun made his 805AWHP. Our cars make an interesting comparison since both are near identical builds except for the head configuration. Tom has a world class port job on stock turbo heads, stock valves and EVOMS sport intake/exhaust cams. I have a heavy port job with oversize Ferrea intake /exhaust valves and a custom ground exhaust cam with an OEM stock intake cam. Our final numbers were approximately 800/730 AWHP for me and 805/760AWHP for Tom. Clearly, if you are looking for the 950-975 crank HP range you dont need big fancy heads and valves. We had equal HP at the end of the run but Tom made more, sooner and held it longer giving him a substantial advantage. Same with TQ. I have much more headroom for future work since my power is still climbing whereas Tom is flatlining due to the small valves, but overall he has a better, cheaper package. Just for the record we were running the EXACT same file and all other hardware was identical..... Todd was kind enough to overlay Joes new numbers on our graph as well just to let Tom and I know we have real small peckers.... Joe, Tom and I will meet you at the stoplight of your choosing!!!
.... Joe, Tom and I will meet you at the stoplight of your choosing!!!Have i mentioned i ENVY all you that are going!!! LOL
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Agreed.
Nobody really KNOWS what a modified car is making at the flywheel.
Personally, I think you can throw the %'s away once a car is modified.
If you use 18% loss, a car dynoing 600rwhp is making 731fwhp (600/.82) for a loss of 131hp.
Then you turn up the boost and make 800rwhp.
800/.82= 975fwhp, based on the math, for 175hp loss.
Is there REALLY an additional 44hp lost between the two dyno runs?
Probably not, since nothing in the drivetrain has changed.
Granted there may be some additional parasitic losses, but I doubt they are on the order of an extra 44hp.
IMO, the math really doesn't work when a car is modded to these levels.
All that matters is what makes it to the tire!
And 800 is strong!
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Agreed.
Nobody really KNOWS what a modified car is making at the flywheel.
Personally, I think you can throw the %'s away once a car is modified.
If you use 18% loss, a car dynoing 600rwhp is making 731fwhp (600/.82) for a loss of 131hp.
Then you turn up the boost and make 800rwhp.
800/.82= 975fwhp, based on the math, for 175hp loss.
Is there REALLY an additional 44hp lost between the two dyno runs?
Probably not, since nothing in the drivetrain has changed.
Granted there may be some additional parasitic losses, but I doubt they are on the order of an extra 44hp.
IMO, the math really doesn't work when a car is modded to these levels.
All that matters is what makes it to the tire!
And 800 is strong!
Nobody really KNOWS what a modified car is making at the flywheel.
Personally, I think you can throw the %'s away once a car is modified.
If you use 18% loss, a car dynoing 600rwhp is making 731fwhp (600/.82) for a loss of 131hp.
Then you turn up the boost and make 800rwhp.
800/.82= 975fwhp, based on the math, for 175hp loss.
Is there REALLY an additional 44hp lost between the two dyno runs?
Probably not, since nothing in the drivetrain has changed.
Granted there may be some additional parasitic losses, but I doubt they are on the order of an extra 44hp.
IMO, the math really doesn't work when a car is modded to these levels.
All that matters is what makes it to the tire!
And 800 is strong!
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Agreed.
Nobody really KNOWS what a modified car is making at the flywheel.
Personally, I think you can throw the %'s away once a car is modified.
If you use 18% loss, a car dynoing 600rwhp is making 731fwhp (600/.82) for a loss of 131hp.
Then you turn up the boost and make 800rwhp.
800/.82= 975fwhp, based on the math, for 175hp loss.
Is there REALLY an additional 44hp lost between the two dyno runs?
Probably not, since nothing in the drivetrain has changed.
Granted there may be some additional parasitic losses, but I doubt they are on the order of an extra 44hp.
IMO, the math really doesn't work when a car is modded to these levels.
All that matters is what makes it to the tire!
And 800 is strong!
Nobody really KNOWS what a modified car is making at the flywheel.
Personally, I think you can throw the %'s away once a car is modified.
If you use 18% loss, a car dynoing 600rwhp is making 731fwhp (600/.82) for a loss of 131hp.
Then you turn up the boost and make 800rwhp.
800/.82= 975fwhp, based on the math, for 175hp loss.
Is there REALLY an additional 44hp lost between the two dyno runs?
Probably not, since nothing in the drivetrain has changed.
Granted there may be some additional parasitic losses, but I doubt they are on the order of an extra 44hp.
IMO, the math really doesn't work when a car is modded to these levels.
All that matters is what makes it to the tire!
And 800 is strong!
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I totally agree, these cars are extremely close.
The power curves are nearly identical, the only difference being in the upper rpm range.
Either way, your car should be a very strong runner, for sure!
Nice results.