/// EVOMS [S-351] 1000 HP Monster Build Begins - Project Name to be Determined \\\
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To prevent any further pissing contests with my friends, I'm bowing out of this thread. Before I do, I want to make 2 points:
1. I'm truly glad Bryant is getting an EVOMS build. EVOMS has been doing phenomenal work and I would not hesistate for a moment to send my car to them. You never know what the future may hold...
2. Lean is very bad for a motor, regardless if that motor is stock or built.
1. I'm truly glad Bryant is getting an EVOMS build. EVOMS has been doing phenomenal work and I would not hesistate for a moment to send my car to them. You never know what the future may hold...
2. Lean is very bad for a motor, regardless if that motor is stock or built.
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Stock rods will be fine up to 700 whp if the following conditions are met: Fueling (rails, lines, secondary pump...and now people like Todd are going to 83 lb injectors). Proper gas relative to boost levels. Even with the above you should not run more than 1, 1.1 bars max on quality pump (93 here in Texas) gas. You can run up to 1.5 on C 16, 1.4 on unleaded 109. No more, which is related to using common sense. And you should only run higher boost occasionally. I was told by someone with a lot of experience w/ these motors that at over 640 to the wheels you are talking about maybe 40 hours of use.
IMO, it is common sense in people, not the rods that are the weak link.
IMO, it is common sense in people, not the rods that are the weak link.
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If I could swap in a built bottom end for a reasonable known documented cost aka not my first born, then maybe I'd go further sooner once I'd been able to budget for it. As it stands now it's looking like 50% of the purchase price of the car - sorry that's not going to fly. Those prices might have made more sense when these cars were $100K+, not when they're costing as little as $40K.
I dont recall the owner of EVO jumping in the Switzer thread about 900 on stock rods
And for the record, like Scott, I think EVOMS is doing amazing things and leading the advancement of this market and Joe's car is the one to beat. I would not hesitate to use EVOMS products (I have used and currently have EVOMS stuff on my car) or have them do a build for me when the time/money is right also. I am waiting for details on their motor build and their exchange program as well.
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Maybe 200... If you guys ever build a car for a guy that actually drives his car, you may want to build the bottom end or send him home with a diaper to keep the messed contained. Honestly I used to share your mind set, but I know for a fact...I NEVER run the car with anything less then MS109 nor do I abuse it and look what happened. 700 plus whp is no place I will ever go again with a stock engine car.
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If you wanted a 205 pass all you had to do was ask me to drive it ...
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500 miles? 1000 miles? 2000 miles? it is just difficult for me to believe that since you went with the EVOMS GT30 package and drove it "not long enough", that all of a sudden the rods have seen so much stress due to the added hp and tq that the rods have bent, cracked, etc. That seems to be EVOMS "theory" in your particular case. If that is indeed still EVOMS position, then ALL rods should fail when driven "not long enough".
We are simply trying to get all the facts and entire story to see if there may have been another reason why the rods failed as opposed to what EVOMS theory is claiming that the 680 hp and 650 tq was just too much for the stock rods to handle. Any ways, good luck with your build.
We are simply trying to get all the facts and entire story to see if there may have been another reason why the rods failed as opposed to what EVOMS theory is claiming that the 680 hp and 650 tq was just too much for the stock rods to handle. Any ways, good luck with your build.
Better Idea....Send me one and fly out, ill take you out for a bit of street racing and we can run it threw the paces.
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You both have awesome cars. Expect a bill from my wife. She is under the impression that my trip to the mile has influenced me in a bad way.
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The owner of EVOMS doesn't have to jump into the other non-EVOMS threads.... his top customers always do it for him
When I started my build 20 years ago, I went with internals before my car ended up at Evoms...It's what I wanted....If I wanted to be the fastest I would got 35..(top Dog).
It's not an Evoms thing...If you want to run big power you need at least rods, Evoms, Proto, BBI, ETC.....IMO
When I started my build 20 years ago, I went with internals before my car ended up at Evoms...It's what I wanted
....If I wanted to be the fastest I would got 35..(top Dog).It's not an Evoms thing...If you want to run big power you need at least rods, Evoms, Proto, BBI, ETC.....IMO
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..As far as the wife
...send that bill to Joey Geee ( bad influence)
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you know, Joe never gets involved in any threads unless directly asked questions, don't go blaming him just because you and Tom had weak rods
