Some pics of my new GT2
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Wow, this is really bothering you, huh? Are you under the impression that moving this from PMs to the open forum was going to change my response?
If you read the 15th post in this thread, you will see the below mod list. I have posted exactly what turbos I have 2 or 3 times in this forum already, and have never once claimed they were K24's:
· Protomotive Intake w/ MAF
· Proto headers
· Proto tune
· Piggy back fuel pump
· 60lb injectors
· HRE 542R wheels
· Continental Contisportcontact3 tires
· Upgraded Intercoolers
· ATS triple carbon clutch
· 3M clear bra
· Tial 44mm wastegates
· Switzer exhaust
· T3/50 trim turbos
As you can see, the motor is on 100% stock internals, and is running modifications that have all been "bolted-on". I'm not sure what the issue is exactly, or why you would automatically infer that "bolt-ons" must only mean K24's, but you seem to be the only on here that's confused.
Maybe we have two completely different definitions of the word "bolt-on":
My definition of the phrase is pretty much modifications that are only external of the engine, and do not change the basic way in which a motor makes it power, i.e. adding a turbo or supercharger to a N/A motor does not fit the definition of "bolt-on" in my opinion, since it has completely changed the basic manner in which the motor makes the majority of its power.
Your definition may be different, which I imagine is the basis for the confusion.
That said, I'm curious why you would be "amazed" at the capabilities of K24s. I assume you aren't aware that there is a K24 car on here (owned by member Chris Green) making 717 rwhp that ran a 5.58 60-130, on the stock block? Another member's K24 car went 5.99. Yet another car went 6.00. We also have another K24 car that went over 200 mph in the Texas Mile. All of these cars are running stock internals and "bolt-on" modifications.
We also have a "bolt-on" 996TT, on stock internals, that ran a 5.05 60-130 and is making 840 rwhp.
Moving to the 997 versions, there is a "bolt-on" 997TT making 915 rwhp, that has run a 4.25 60-130 and a 9.79 in the 1/4 mile. I also know of a 997 GT2 making 822 rwhp with just "bolt-ons".
Anyway, if this is just a simple matter of you and I having conflicting definitions of the phrase "bolt-ons", than I suppose there isn't much that can done about it, since neither of us are going to change the other's mind.
Regardless, I hope this has finally answered all of your questions and just so you know, my answers would have been exactly the same had you kept our discussion to PMs.
P.S. - I updated my signature and added "w/bolt-ons" to my Supra as well, just for you.
If you read the 15th post in this thread, you will see the below mod list. I have posted exactly what turbos I have 2 or 3 times in this forum already, and have never once claimed they were K24's:
· Protomotive Intake w/ MAF
· Proto headers
· Proto tune
· Piggy back fuel pump
· 60lb injectors
· HRE 542R wheels
· Continental Contisportcontact3 tires
· Upgraded Intercoolers
· ATS triple carbon clutch
· 3M clear bra
· Tial 44mm wastegates
· Switzer exhaust
· T3/50 trim turbos
As you can see, the motor is on 100% stock internals, and is running modifications that have all been "bolted-on". I'm not sure what the issue is exactly, or why you would automatically infer that "bolt-ons" must only mean K24's, but you seem to be the only on here that's confused.
Maybe we have two completely different definitions of the word "bolt-on":
My definition of the phrase is pretty much modifications that are only external of the engine, and do not change the basic way in which a motor makes it power, i.e. adding a turbo or supercharger to a N/A motor does not fit the definition of "bolt-on" in my opinion, since it has completely changed the basic manner in which the motor makes the majority of its power.
Your definition may be different, which I imagine is the basis for the confusion.
That said, I'm curious why you would be "amazed" at the capabilities of K24s. I assume you aren't aware that there is a K24 car on here (owned by member Chris Green) making 717 rwhp that ran a 5.58 60-130, on the stock block? Another member's K24 car went 5.99. Yet another car went 6.00. We also have another K24 car that went over 200 mph in the Texas Mile. All of these cars are running stock internals and "bolt-on" modifications.
We also have a "bolt-on" 996TT, on stock internals, that ran a 5.05 60-130 and is making 840 rwhp.
Moving to the 997 versions, there is a "bolt-on" 997TT making 915 rwhp, that has run a 4.25 60-130 and a 9.79 in the 1/4 mile. I also know of a 997 GT2 making 822 rwhp with just "bolt-ons".
Anyway, if this is just a simple matter of you and I having conflicting definitions of the phrase "bolt-ons", than I suppose there isn't much that can done about it, since neither of us are going to change the other's mind.
Regardless, I hope this has finally answered all of your questions and just so you know, my answers would have been exactly the same had you kept our discussion to PMs.
P.S. - I updated my signature and added "w/bolt-ons" to my Supra as well, just for you.
I never claimed you were misleading anyone, you posted your mod list and your times. I claimed that someone only seeing your sig might be confused.
I suppose it would be different definitions as I do not consider turbo upgrades a bolt on. I would consider bolt on's to be made to a car running K24's, as in exhaust, headers, and software being bolt on's.
Hey, whatever, your car write whatever the hell you want I asked for clarification for myself as I did not think you achieved that time with K24's, and you didn't. My definition would not call your car modded with bolt on's, especially once you start adding things like an upgraded fuel system into the mix. A GT2 with bolt on's in my mind runs K24's. Since you know supras, an upgraded turbo and fuel system moves you out of the BPU world, doesn't it?
Regarding the PM, I did not ask you through PM if it would make sense to change your description, hence a new topic
I'm a little disheartened to see you take it as me moving a private conversation to a public domain to criticize you, not my intention whatsoever. I think asking questions when I am curious is exactly within the spirit of the forum
Oh, and I believe the K24's you mentioned are not stock K24's but modded K24's. k24/18g's right? So, they would not be K24's any longer.
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there are cars out there some make that have a fuel system capable of 1200rwhp... running piggyback systems etc etc... all the plumbing, headers, Ics... etc etc are all done custom... yet they all call it bolt on...
If anyone is so naive to believe that anything over 700 hp is a simple bolt on then your smoking some good stuff because if you would see what goes into such a project you would freak out... lines are rerouted, custom oil lines, water lines, DVS are relocated, external Wgs etc etc the list goes on...
If anyone is so naive to believe that anything over 700 hp is a simple bolt on then your smoking some good stuff because if you would see what goes into such a project you would freak out... lines are rerouted, custom oil lines, water lines, DVS are relocated, external Wgs etc etc the list goes on...
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No, not at all. I honestly thought I touched a nerve with you.
Cool.
Got it. I honestly thought that's what was happening and was a bit taken aback by it. I appreciate the explanation.
Absolutely. You are 100% correct about that.
LOL...those are DEFINITELY bolt-ons in my book, but we'll have to agree to disagree.
I never claimed you were misleading anyone, you posted your mod list and your times. I claimed that someone only seeing your sig might be confused.
I suppose it would be different definitions as I do not consider turbo upgrades a bolt on. I would consider bolt on's to be made to a car running K24's, as in exhaust, headers, and software being bolt on's.
Hey, whatever, your car write whatever the hell you want I asked for clarification for myself as I did not think you achieved that time with K24's, and you didn't. My definition would not call your car modded with bolt on's, especially once you start adding things like an upgraded fuel system into the mix.
I suppose it would be different definitions as I do not consider turbo upgrades a bolt on. I would consider bolt on's to be made to a car running K24's, as in exhaust, headers, and software being bolt on's.
Hey, whatever, your car write whatever the hell you want I asked for clarification for myself as I did not think you achieved that time with K24's, and you didn't. My definition would not call your car modded with bolt on's, especially once you start adding things like an upgraded fuel system into the mix.
Regarding the PM, I did not ask you through PM if it would make sense to change your description, hence a new topic I'm a little disheartened to see you take it as me moving a private conversation to a public domain to criticize you, not my intention whatsoever.
I'm a little disheartened to see you take it as me moving a private conversation to a public domain to criticize you, not my intention whatsoever.
I think asking questions when I am curious is exactly within the spirit of the forum
Oh, and I believe the K24's you mentioned are not stock K24's but modded K24's. k24/18g's right? So, they would not be bolt on's either
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BPU - basic performance upgrades. That doesn't mean that bolt ons stop there, it just means that your wallet is about to get much lighter! When you dive into the engine the term bolt on goes away in my book but so long as that puppy is factory and you're just swapping support systems it's a bolt on to me. Heck on this car it looks even easier to swap stuff around under there than it was on the Supra - the twins were a PITA!
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bolt ons ona NA car would not include turbo or super charger but anything bolted onto the car intake manifolds exhaust anything else.
Bolt ons ona Turbo car are anything in the same area without removing the stock cylinder heads is a bolt on affair
same with a super charged car everything that can be bolted on without removing the stock cylinder heads fits the same catagory.
Bolt ons ona Turbo car are anything in the same area without removing the stock cylinder heads is a bolt on affair
same with a super charged car everything that can be bolted on without removing the stock cylinder heads fits the same catagory.
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bolt ons ona NA car would not include turbo or super charger but anything bolted onto the car intake manifolds exhaust anything else.
Bolt ons ona Turbo car are anything in the same area without removing the stock cylinder heads is a bolt on affair
same with a super charged car everything that can be bolted on without removing the stock cylinder heads fits the same catagory.
Bolt ons ona Turbo car are anything in the same area without removing the stock cylinder heads is a bolt on affair
same with a super charged car everything that can be bolted on without removing the stock cylinder heads fits the same catagory.
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i assumed that before posting if your gonna yank the heads your gonna change the rods atleast any sane man in the porsche performance world would
if your gonna yank the heads your gonna change the rods atleast any sane man in the porsche performance world would
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Absolutely.
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Turbo upgrades are a bolt on. Same deal as dump pipes and exhaust, they are by definition a "bolt on" upgrade, nothing internal to the engine has been changed and its still unopened.
At least that's the definition I've always worked on and most car forums do.
At least that's the definition I've always worked on and most car forums do.
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It's very subjective, but that's always been my definition as well.