Even though you haven't answered my question - you're right. You win.

 

Why thank you.


To answer your question, duh!!!

 

Oh Heavy, my "GT-R can do no right" poster.

So good to see you again. When last we talked I was showing you my car in a production I did called Head 2 Head at Willow Springs, Where my car lapped faster than a GT3 and Tech Art GT-Street (both 997s) around the same track, same day same driver. You cried foul and said because I was one of the producers claiming I staged the result.

A year later I help produce forum wars and again I put my own car in it and this time drive it to a loss. Now all the sudden I've created a credible show for you because the result was inline with your beliefs?

So Heavy, since you've chosen to flame me and my productions twice now, and have been inconsistent with your critiques. I ask you this. Are you now willing to concede that I was objective and fair in my Head 2 Head test given that I lost to Enrique at Forum Wars?

I await your retraction.

PS, to stir your memory. At Willow Springs..

1:30.04 COBB GT-R (Exhaust, Tune, Tires otherwise stock at the time)
1:32.70 My GT-R on Bridgestones (not Dunlops)
1:36.50 997 GT3
1:37.91 997 Tech Art GT-Street
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrd8VzfZzN8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhg0HUpqkP4

PPS These results are pretty inline with Road and Track's Big Willow times
Road and Track Ultimate Track Test at Big Willow
#1 1:30.10 Viper ACR
#2 1:31.23 GT-R (optional Dunlop Tires)
...
#5 1:33.57 997 GT2

You cried foul on those times too, but if Road and Track had produced Forum Wars instead of me and Paul Schieffer, would you be willing to concede on those too?

Looking forward to your apology for calling Head 2 Head a fraud

 

Shinkaze, there is no need for me to backpedal, I simply said that the Techart GT Street is not performance modifications, it's a body kit and worthless coilover kit.

Do you not also remember that the GT street had just completed a cross country cannonball on the same tires you did the competition on? Which is why the driver could barely make it around the track AT ALL?

You and your homies were trying to convince everyone that you couldn't keep up with at a stock GT-R unless you had 800 plus hp etc etc. (What was that guys name that owned a modded 997 Turbo and a GT-R and his GT-R blew the tranny).

I also had a problem with the GT-R being so close to other test, while the Porsche's either got Steve "I don't drive anything fast but the GT-R" Millen or a regular journalist driving them.

I have never once commented on the credibility of this show or called it the end all. I have only pointed out the excuses and why they are irrelevant to the arguement.

This data is also comparable to my own personal data.



So what is there to retract?

 

FWIW I don't think Forum Wars is that great either. I applaud the effort, and hope this gets the attention and grows into something bigger and better for all of our sakes. But that is hardly a road course you guys ran on, and an 1/8th mile is next to useless. But you have to crawl before you can walk so I give you a thumbs up.

 

For this whole GTR vs 996 Turbo thing, bottom line:

The girl's going home with the guy driving the Porsche, not the Nissan.

 

I call that entire reply a carefully worded dodge.

 

I'll be blunt, it deeply offends me when guys like you call our shows a fraud.

We put a lot of work into them, and a lot of what we want to do we can't afford to do, so they we do the best we can with what we have.

We actually asked Steve Millen to drive for another show AutoStream is producing and he said "I would love to drive for you", but then qualified it by saying "but I think you might be better off getting someone else as a lot of people unhappy with the results of their favorite cars are saying some hateful things about me, and they may try to question the show's credibility if I'm the primary driver." So good for you, you're having the effect you want with your defamation of his character.

Personally I've written you specifically off as your blind hatred of the GT-R defies all logic and facts, and when I read your conspiracy theories of "slick tires" for the GT-R time. I just have to console myself that you can't be reasoned with, so there is no point.

BTW, me and every other GT-R enthusiast have been waiting for two years for these racing slicks you claim Nissan cheated on, because the only thing that fits are R888's that just recently came out, which are apparently not any better than the stock Dunlop run flat tires.

So I apologize to those of you this post doesn't apply to, but moving forward I'm done with you Heavy (heavy=ignore)

 

I dont want to get into the middle of this but nobody will convince me that Dunlop RFT's are anywhere close to as good as an r888.. I dont get involved in the Ring Results thats people get so bent out of shape about.. I have seen enough video of GTR's vs. 997tt and i beleive it is a quicker car even around the track from what i have seen.. They really did well with the GTR for the $$$..

Mike

 

GT-R when you don't need to impress a chick with your car to get laid

Seriously though, I love them both, and still want a 997 turbo cab for a Malibu canyon bomber, but the reality is, I just feel like the 997tt is too "nice" to track. Conversely, if I have an off on my GT-R, I'm like "meh, it's just a Nissan". I know that's a personal hangup, but to be honest it allows me to have far more fun with a GT-R at the track. In effect I'm less uptight with it and therefore enjoy it more.

Another thing (which again is my own issue), I spend a lot of time working with REAL professional race car drivers. (i.e. people who race as their day job), so I know how much better they are than me, and I know how much history a 911 has behind it, and there is this little voice in my head calling me "poser" when I try to get a decent time in the 911. Conversely the GT-R just does what it does and is pretty unpretentious so I could give a flip what people think of my times.

PS same day same driver my GT-R beat a 997 GT3.
PPS same day Tanner Foust and I were horsing around streets of Willow, and he was lapping me in a 997 GT3 while drifting for our camera. The reality is I doubt anyone commenting on this thread could have done better than me. As it ends up Driver > Car.

 

That comment makes me wish I didn't buy a Porsche...

 

HAHA, ignore so you don't get yourself embarrassed.


See what your fellow GT-R enthusiasts have to say about your show, it pretty much resembles what I said about your other show. I was trying to be nice since it's a good cause IMO and no one expects top class quality control from an upstart limited budget show. But since you want to act like that I'll just leave you to your own kind.

 

Mike,
I actually had the opportunity to talk with the team developing the R888, and have a lot more respect for them and their product because of it. The reason they took so much time in getting the GT-R size R888 out was (by their own admission) it wasn't producing faster times than the Dunlops, and they didn't want to release a race tire that wasn't better than the OE offering. They had to go back to the drawing board a few times on the design and finally released something they felt was superior. The Toyo engineer I was working with was highly complimentary of the Dunlop product and said it really challenged them to make some significant changes which ultimately ended with a superior tire than they would have otherwise put out.

That same complimentary view of one's competitor is one reason I really admire the GT-R team, as they have always lauded praise on the 911, and cited that respect as why they chose it as their performance bogey. As a matter of fact my dearest Porsche friends are the ones that applaud Nissan, Chevy, Dodge and Ferrari forcing Porsche to raise the bar. Folks that do the opposite typically carry a lot of fear in their life, and aren't much fun to be around anyways. To be honest, and Enrique will tell you, I had a lot of fun getting my but whipped by him. It taught me that as much fun as I'm having, I can go far faster still with more training and tunning, and when I finally return the favor I'm sure he'll be happy for me as I was for him.

Fear keeps you from growing, delight in ones shortcomings is how you grow.

 

Believe it. Raw data taken on the same day in not ONE but TWO seperate tests with pro/race drivers show the Dunlops as fast as (or faster than) the R888's. Randy Pobst was one driver and some guy in Australia with racing experience.

And to this day I still don't think anyone has proven otherwise with similar AB testing in controlled conditions with as capable of drivers.

 

Whatever you say man.. For the AVG guy it appears they are dropping times swapping tires.. Maybe for pro guys they arent but the guys i have spoken to at the track and online all say they dropped times on r888..

The GTR if on stock tires as they said seems to quicker in the ring than 997tt and GT3.. all for 80k.. Still a nissan but a fast one..

Mike