hey john i called ya yesterday. ill try calling ya again today. (908) number. id like to ask you a few things. thanks

 

I have been on this forum a long time and it still looks like you have a bone to pick with Tony/EPL. That much is obvious.

I'll be looking forward to those dyno sheets as well.

 

Well Heavy you are Wrong...BESIDES,,,Whats the difference comparing tunes as you all compare parts on this site???...What are you meaning to say about Todd/Protomotive tuning as compared to EPL??..Look above at Todds verbal comparision....I have no bone to pick with Tony,Why should I??.. ,,I paid him for his product, and I learned that I wanted something else that Protomotive could provide ,so I paid again to make ME happy and it did... Thats the bottom line!!!!.....Cheers.....

 

I was just saying how people might perceive your comments. This is an opinion forum though so you are entitled to it and people deserve to know the dealings of vendors.

I really am looking forward to the dyno sheets though as I've been dragging my feet on a turbo upgrade for a long time now.

 

If you were comparing tunes you should just say you like protos tune better than your previous not call out companies/tuners. Not classy just my 2 cents.

 

HI,You have the right to your opinion...You may have a point,, BUT eventually most would ask for their own info...Isnt that what this is about ,sharing info to help decide??

 

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it is clear that there is resentment in these post if john knows it or not. i once had a problem with someone doing work on my car thats not a vender and my thread was closed and this was a cut and dry situation of being over charged for hours. i believe that sometimes the personality type is not what fits in many relationships and this no different. both turners are well respected and john is happier now for the most part. this thread , in my opinion should die. this will show that john does respect EPL and understands that in life we can't make everyone agree on our point.. one experience can not dictate future ones. john, get out there and drive the **** out of your car before you upgrade again!

 

I have spoken with John several times and he is a very nice and knowledgeable guy. He is trying to get his car where he wants/likes it and has changed many things to reach his goals. I have my opinions of what went down and probably have more information than what most have since I have personally chatted with him.

I don't think he is out of line, but just posting his story and long journey to get his car modded. We all know modding is fun on paper, but when you start working with vendors and 3rd party parts, things don't work out sometimes. Expectations may not line up or other things are causing issues, etc.

Then you start taking with other vendors buying more parts and the $$$ and frustration adds up. Hind sight is 20/20 is the saying!

If we can't talk about things openly and compare products/services, what good is this forum?

Looking forward to the dyno sheets! Just glad he is happy now and can move on! What's next, John?

 

I just wanna see the d*mn GRAPHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! c'mon jonnny boy!!!!!!!!!

 

HEY guys,,I just put another e-mail over to Todd to send me the dyno comparision sheets to put this stuff to rest,,,Who knows it might not because some might find other areas to pick on??...lol......I hope not.....Even though dyno sheets are not every thing in a tune,,in which I said about the drivability area also.....As I said in a response above ,the ones he sent me,I could not open>>>Only this came threw from Todd,,From: TKnighton [mailto:sales@protomotive.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:10 PM
To: johnspeed911@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Dyno sheets

You can see we were running less boost, especially on top. 1 psi less, but making almost 60hp more at reline than your old file.
We had intentionally lowered the timing and boost in the midrange to help out with the 93 octane tendency to knock.
Otherwise, the runs tended to overlay eachother plus or minus just a little.
No doubt the original file made nice power. As I told you, I was impressed by what it made initially. We made some nice improvements, improved your drivability, mileage, etc. while keeping and improving on the power J
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Hi,Thank You....Yes ,you do know more.....

 

hey john just to make everyone happy on a even note u should go to the same dyno you did you last pull with you last numbers. this would explain and settle alot. glad to here you happy with your proto tune. i know i am!

 

HI,I am glad.Enjoy....Hope I answered your questions good enough on the phone before....As I mentioned above somewhere ,,I do plan on going on the Kelly Moss dyno to compare to make 'ME' happy....Have a great night.....

 

Hi John,
Congrats on the new tune! I just had a protomotive tune installed on my car by Marski and I am loving every second of it. Enjoy it!