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Old Dec 5, 2011 | 03:11 PM
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i do think the revo flash was a very basic tune..if i were a betting man i would bet that this file is for 18g with a little tweak.
 

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Old Dec 5, 2011 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mod mike
i do think the revo flash was a very basic tune..if i were a betting man i would bet that this file is for 18g with a little tweak.
Makes more sense!

Mike enjoy it my friend. Just don't fall into the modding pit like I did LOL! I told myself it will just be a flash, exhaust and wheels. What a slippery slope its been!
 
Old Dec 5, 2011 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Powell
If you think a stock K24 car with just a tune will very from vendor to vendor (other than 5rwhp) than you do not have a clue about these cars. Yes a K24/18 car is in question there will be a difference from tuner to tuner. It's all about boost and timing. Did you ever go back to Kelly Mosses dyno to verify your numbers?
I do have a clue,,,BUT,,,I just dont know everything like you do...
 
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I do have a clue,,,BUT,,,I just dont know everything like you do...
I know all!

John I did not know he had 24/18's. It just said 24's. My bad but yes you are correct a 18G car is going to vary tuner to tuner. K16 and K24 (non-hybrids) are just like an LS1 car. Numbers will be the same from tuner to tuner. Sorry I did not know the full story.
 
Old Dec 5, 2011 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Powell
I know all!

John I did not know he had 24/18's. It just said 24's. My bad but yes you are correct a 18G car is going to vary tuner to tuner. K16 and K24 (non-hybrids) are just like an LS1 car. Numbers will be the same from tuner to tuner. Sorry I did not know the full story.
Hey,,Its all good......
 
Old Dec 5, 2011 | 06:38 PM
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powell: i'm not saying it is a 18g flash just for the record they are k24's .... thanks for that advice and yes i will follow it.. i feel that if this car were any more it would only be a drag car and not intended for "MY" use. i have had many P cars as well as others and feel this car now fits me and what i want out of it like a glove..
 

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congrats, like all things you will soon get use to it (u will want more...)

Originally Posted by mod mike
the car is scary fast now. i really could not imagine more for the way i drive in the canyons and mountains. its feels like k16's that are super strong... quick and responsive! i will now spend the rest of my money on suspension and personalizing the outside of the car. i installed a CF wing when i did the flash. i think i will follow this tastefully throughout the car.. i will not make it look like i am sponsored by CF. that to me is tacky... markski, don't know if you remember, i called you about four months ago and you told me about this set up. you are right. wicked fast!!!
 
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Hey Mike,,,,Did you already OR are you going to data log your car??....Todd is really good at checking over his tunes once they are in the car, if the customer wants him to.......Markski did mine when I got back from Protomotive......Todd tweeked my map alittle and it did get a little bit more midrange pull after that....SO,How soon until you need new tires now??....LOL......
 
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What kind of dyno ? Any idea what kind of #'s a stock car put down on this dyno ? What type of fuel ? Meth ? How much boost ?

Just curious.

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Hey Mike,,,,Did you already OR are you going to data log your car??....Todd is really good at checking over his tunes once they are in the car, if the customer wants him to.......Markski did mine when I got back from Protomotive......Todd tweeked my map alittle and it did get a little bit more midrange pull after that....SO,How soon until you need new tires now??....LOL......
 
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What kind of dyno ? Any idea what kind of #'s a stock car put down on this dyno ? What type of fuel ? Meth ? How much boost ?

Just curious.
HI,Dynapack dyno,rearwheel,which can be loaded to what ever the operator wants.....This type bolts to each rear hub....Its is not so much for the end numbers BUT the tuning to get the best numbers....93 octane....Linear climb in boost to a peak of almost 20PSI,1.35bars,at 6,000rpm up.......The timing curve is also as important as the boost which I do not know....lol...
 

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Do you have dyno sheets on your current tune ?

Would be curious to check them out.

I'm Proto tuned on 91 octane, at around 1.1 bar making about 525whp on a dyno dynamics 4 wheel dyno.

Does the dynapack have a rep of reading high ? My *guess* on a dyno dynamics, you would be in the 560-570whp range based on the better pump fuel and increased boost.

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HI,Dynapack dyno,rearwheel,which can be loaded to what ever the operator wants.....This type bolts to each rear hub....Its is not some much for the end numbers BUT the tuning to get the best numbers....93 octane....Linear climb in boost to a peak of almost 22PSI,1.35bars,at 6,000rpm up.......The timing curve is also as important as the boost which I do not know....lol...
 

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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JSBear
Would be curious to check them out.

I'm Proto tuned on 91 octane, at around 1.1 bar making about 525whp on a dyno dynamics 4 wheel dyno.

Does the dynapack have a rep of reading high ? My *guess* on a dyno dynamics, you would be in the 560-570whp range based on the better pump fuel and increased boost.
Yes it would be higher because it is a 2 wheel drive set-up and the wheels are off which is less rotating mass......I donot think you can make a comparison between the 2 different dynos..As I said and know,,a dyno is a tuning tool to get a base run and go from there to compare changes....On an all wheel Mustang dyno with my previous tune/tuner I made 538 HP peak and 595 TQ peak , On that dyna pack with that tune ,I made 615HP peak and 620TQ peak with more boost,21.5 psi,1.46bar,for a base line comparision before we started tuning....I made a mistake above about the 22psi boost,since I didnt look at sheets then,,it was almost 20 psi but I got the bars right 1.35....lol..
 

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Old Dec 9, 2011 | 08:11 PM
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john, when i take my car in next week to dial in the race file i;m sure they will.. JSbear. no. i don't really want to know. i think thats when it becomes all about #'s.. the shop said there was a car there that had bigger turbos and they said my car was stronger.. no meth, just 91 octane. i truly believe it's the proto tune with the 60lb injectors.. i have driven my car 3 times this week. like i wrote earlier, it feels like the quickness of a k16 that has a wicked pull.. you live kinda close maybe we can meet up when i go to the shop, BBI. its in Huntington beach.. let me know.. i do have a 3" bbi exhaust that helps a lot too...
 
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Hey Mike,,I noticed on a later signiature of yours,,,that you have a 74 TB and plenum now?....Did you notice a difference when you switched over to that set-up?? Thanks.....
 
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john, that was my first mod after the flash, the first flash that is, the revo.. yes i noticed a big difference..
 


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