OEM Headers v. After-Market Headers
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Originally posted by AMG ETR
...(Your first set did in fact crack and were replaced without question, but those were made by someone here in the US (I will not put the name of the company)...Yes the collector melted on this [second] set and I would be happy to post photos of it if you would like (was actually going to but out of respect for you and EVO I did not)....
...(Your first set did in fact crack and were replaced without question, but those were made by someone here in the US (I will not put the name of the company)...Yes the collector melted on this [second] set and I would be happy to post photos of it if you would like (was actually going to but out of respect for you and EVO I did not)....
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Originally posted by cjv
... Now to the thickness and type of stainless steel. Heat that does not disipate properly (like wrapping) will kill 304 and 316 stainless steel. Hence 321. In addition, the thinner the gauge material, the more it is prone to cracking. Improper heat disipation is what causes cracks. The S Car Go headers are 16 gauge and 321 material. They have proven to withstand the turbo heat when wrapped. In addition the thicker material holds more heat ........... you guessed it, more power....[/B]
... Now to the thickness and type of stainless steel. Heat that does not disipate properly (like wrapping) will kill 304 and 316 stainless steel. Hence 321. In addition, the thinner the gauge material, the more it is prone to cracking. Improper heat disipation is what causes cracks. The S Car Go headers are 16 gauge and 321 material. They have proven to withstand the turbo heat when wrapped. In addition the thicker material holds more heat ........... you guessed it, more power....[/B]
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Originally posted by Zippy
Hey Evan - are you saying the headers were from EVO, or simply the tuning wass from EVO.
Mike
Hey Evan - are you saying the headers were from EVO, or simply the tuning wass from EVO.
Mike
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Originally posted by AMG ETR
Nono, the set that cracked did not come from Evo. I did not want to post his headers because it is an Evo car and I did not think that was right, but if he insists I will...
Evan
Nono, the set that cracked did not come from Evo. I did not want to post his headers because it is an Evo car and I did not think that was right, but if he insists I will...
Evan
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Originally posted by AMG ETR
FVD has sold hundreds of headers and we have NEVER recieved ANY cracked headers back!!
FVD has sold hundreds of headers and we have NEVER recieved ANY cracked headers back!!
Originally posted by AMG ETR
Xico . . . Your first set did in fact crack and were replaced without question
Xico . . . Your first set did in fact crack and were replaced without question
Originally posted by AMG ETR
Like I said in my earlier posts, we have sold HUNDREDS of these headers throughout the WORLD and you are the only one to have a problem with them.
Like I said in my earlier posts, we have sold HUNDREDS of these headers throughout the WORLD and you are the only one to have a problem with them.
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Originally posted by Zippy
Hey Chad (or anyone) - What # (304, 316, 321) are the EVO headers? Can they be safely ceramic coated and wrapped?
Mike
Hey Chad (or anyone) - What # (304, 316, 321) are the EVO headers? Can they be safely ceramic coated and wrapped?
Mike
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Originally posted by Craig
Craig
Craig
Evan
PS- Sorry for your thread being destroyed
It really started great and it would have been nice to have a thread with all the info without this argueing, but I will not allow untrue statements to go unanswered (You would think I would have learned by now its not worth it, but it is to me).
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Originally posted by AMG ETR
No problem, a little more OT though, how do you like the pleanum???
Evan
No problem, a little more OT though, how do you like the pleanum???
Evan
The plenum rocks! Peak boost levels have definitely increased. I think it's a very synergistic product in conjunction with the EVO Airbox. There is definitely no shortage of air-flow in my car.
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Originally posted by Zippy
The plenum rocks! Peak boost levels have definitely increased. I think it's a very synergistic product in conjunction with the EVO Airbox. There is definitely no shortage of air-flow in my car.
The plenum rocks! Peak boost levels have definitely increased. I think it's a very synergistic product in conjunction with the EVO Airbox. There is definitely no shortage of air-flow in my car.
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Originally posted by AMG ETR
Xico,
Our headers are made by a manufacture in Germany FOR US just as your Cargraphic exhaust is made by a manufacture for them.
Xico,
Our headers are made by a manufacture in Germany FOR US just as your Cargraphic exhaust is made by a manufacture for them.
BTW: News flash
We own the plant that manufactures our exhaust products.. I thought you knew that,
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Originally posted by HZ@cargraphic
Yo Evans.
Yo Evans.
Almost spit out my OJ on that one HAHAHAHA
Originally posted by HZ@cargraphic
BTW: News flash
We own the plant that manufactures our exhaust products.. I thought you knew that,
BTW: News flash
We own the plant that manufactures our exhaust products.. I thought you knew that,
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Evan, to give you the benefit of the dought, i am putting 1000 miles on the new headers to see how the collector reacts, if it is melted again chances are they may not be stainless steel after all.(i will send them to a lab for testing) If this is the case then there is a major problem because i bought stainless steel headers for the application, not some other kind of steel with a coating that can't withstand temperature which is what i am suspecting to find.
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Originally posted by AMG ETR
Xico,
Here we go again I guess
. You made a post that this set of headers cracked, I simply stated they didn't because I stared at them for a half hour and I see nothing (Your first set did in fact crack and were replaced without question, but those were made by someone here in the US (I will not put the name of the company) and yours were the first and last set we ever purchased from them before contracting our own headers in Germany. You got the prototype set and knew you were testing them so don't bring that into it. Yes the collector melted on this set and I would be happy to post photos of it if you would like (was actually going to but out of respect for you and EVO I did not). If you were in fact not running 116 octane then you have much more serious problems because the inside of the headers are WHITE which would mean your car is running VERY lean and therefore so hot that it can melt stainless steel.
Don't tell me I have 2 choices, because I do not work for you and do not have to listen to anything you say. Do not try and talk down to me because you are no where near on a higher level than me in any way. You can work out these 2 options with whoever you have been dealing with there, but you might want to try not being nasty to everyone and maybe you will get more accomplished. You talk to everyone like you are a god and that they should serve you. Like I said I would be happy to save you the trouble of posting the photos of your headers to show how lean and hot your car is really running.
Our headers are made by a manufacture in Germany FOR US just as your Cargraphic exhaust is made by a manufacture for them. Why do you make this sound like a bad thing. No one has ever claimed that FVD has a manufacturing plant on the grounds. It is not a shame. Like I said in my earlier posts, we have sold HUNDREDS of these headers throughout the WORLD and you are the only one to have a problem with them. We have no reason to make them out of a stronger material when this material is suffice. A stronger material increases the risk of cracking under heat due to the reduced flexability and were are not willing to risk that when these headers work. Remember the old saying "Don't fix what isn't broken" , well your one set of hundreds in 4-5 years isn't considered broken.
I still do not know why you could possibly have a problem with FVD or esp. me, and I have tried to fix this situation with you many times, but you were not willing and prefered to just not be friends anymore. That was your choice, so don't take it out on me.
Evan
PS- TTgangsta: Please stay out of this, you do not know the past history or anything about this situation.
PPS- If you want to continue this discussion feel free to give me a call, PM me or if you want it to be public feel free to start another thread, but this is a great informative thread and I do not want to ruin it more than we already have.
Xico,
Here we go again I guess
. You made a post that this set of headers cracked, I simply stated they didn't because I stared at them for a half hour and I see nothing (Your first set did in fact crack and were replaced without question, but those were made by someone here in the US (I will not put the name of the company) and yours were the first and last set we ever purchased from them before contracting our own headers in Germany. You got the prototype set and knew you were testing them so don't bring that into it. Yes the collector melted on this set and I would be happy to post photos of it if you would like (was actually going to but out of respect for you and EVO I did not). If you were in fact not running 116 octane then you have much more serious problems because the inside of the headers are WHITE which would mean your car is running VERY lean and therefore so hot that it can melt stainless steel. Don't tell me I have 2 choices, because I do not work for you and do not have to listen to anything you say. Do not try and talk down to me because you are no where near on a higher level than me in any way. You can work out these 2 options with whoever you have been dealing with there, but you might want to try not being nasty to everyone and maybe you will get more accomplished. You talk to everyone like you are a god and that they should serve you. Like I said I would be happy to save you the trouble of posting the photos of your headers to show how lean and hot your car is really running.
Our headers are made by a manufacture in Germany FOR US just as your Cargraphic exhaust is made by a manufacture for them. Why do you make this sound like a bad thing. No one has ever claimed that FVD has a manufacturing plant on the grounds. It is not a shame. Like I said in my earlier posts, we have sold HUNDREDS of these headers throughout the WORLD and you are the only one to have a problem with them. We have no reason to make them out of a stronger material when this material is suffice. A stronger material increases the risk of cracking under heat due to the reduced flexability and were are not willing to risk that when these headers work. Remember the old saying "Don't fix what isn't broken" , well your one set of hundreds in 4-5 years isn't considered broken.
I still do not know why you could possibly have a problem with FVD or esp. me, and I have tried to fix this situation with you many times, but you were not willing and prefered to just not be friends anymore. That was your choice, so don't take it out on me.
Evan
PS- TTgangsta: Please stay out of this, you do not know the past history or anything about this situation.
PPS- If you want to continue this discussion feel free to give me a call, PM me or if you want it to be public feel free to start another thread, but this is a great informative thread and I do not want to ruin it more than we already have.
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I need a new set of headers. When you guys quit this battle can someone contact me.
BTW, I need a new set because I bottomed out the car. I want to make that very clear and stay away from the battle.
BTW, I need a new set because I bottomed out the car. I want to make that very clear and stay away from the battle.