that's partly why it not a bad idea to go with an all in "kit" of matched and proven parts. i think it's often less expensive than piece by piece upgrades. btw.. i have sambott's 16/24's. highly recommend them ( ad nauseum lol ). but never an issue.

 

I mean yes and no, in one sense yes but if you have in your car (and didnt do turbo upgrade) inlet pipes, injectors, better clutch n flywheel, intercoolers then what was the point? you surely spent more on labor that you would have just purchasing a 'kit' and AMS doesn't have an entire package that encompasses everything i just stated, that is what you NEED to have these turbos run at full potential. Thats the level I was at and it just wasnt enough. But why would you do all those mods, inlet pipes are no easy task, and not do turbos together?

Pure costs alone are never the true costs at the end of the day.

 

This is "a funny" but runs true and I think it's what some of you mean...Crack is addictive. Once your on it you want more. Some people think X amount is enough, only to want more later and upgrade. So I think what some of you are saying is just go big from the get go and build on it.

Main factors, addiction level, budget and discipline. But at least we have great options and it's all in good fun right!

 

Steve...do the 18G's and don't look back. Too many of us have done it and it is proven. 16G's can make power, but ultimately is is STILL a K16..you will run out up top. My 18G car with a little meth trapped almost 135, got into the 5's 60-130 and had VERY minimal lag. Best bang for the buck before you go to $5000 turbo category. Then you can sell me your K16's please...

 

in order to meet criteria for addiction there must be tolerance and withdraw.. tolerance being no longer feeling the same rush , and withdraw, you find yourself in need when going without....

 

My delemma is induced by this site >>> Is deciding to go from my great running K24/18g set-up on pump gas to K24/20gs,pumpgas, or spending even more to go to 3071,pump gas...
Thank God for this site..

 

How about a dual ball bearing turbo upgrade that can make from 600 all the way up to 900+ which could still be able to spool up as quickly as the 16G, 18Gs and only be in the low $4000s?? What if that was possible? Who among you would jump on that?
Some of that price can be recuperated by selling your stock turbos too..!

It would come with headers, 1bar WGs, upgraded blow off valves.

 

for me what i found was more and more cars are selling at stock prices with high end mods done. mine had 40k$ in receipts yet i paid the same as a bone stock 996 turbo. so im making the most of the mods i already have
so again for me i found k24 upgrade all the exhaust work, upgraded d/v and 75 mm t/b and plenum, clutch already in place. im adding the intake parts to compliment a new tune and injectors to take the k24 turbos to their peak performance. so far i have about 4k$ in the mods (inc. the 4.5" i/c im building and the awesome numeric shifter) now add another 2000$ for the tune. at 6000$ if i can get close to 600 rwhp ill be very happy with the car for a pretty good while. fast enough to beat most on the street but completely dependable. right now im at 490 rwhp. if i dont get close then ill spend another 1500 to get my k24 rebuilt to k24/20 and see what happens. again for me thats about as far as i will need to go.
i also enjoy the hp chase. i enjoy wrenching my own cars and i just cant "go with the flow" i do like to try a road less traveled and if i succeed i feel that much better. i will never be ground breaking like tim or powell or guys that have unlimited budgets. but i can carve a little slice of heaven in my own corner!
btw theres no labor for me. i have a lift in my garage and a huge toolbox. its my way to decompress and learn all about the car

 

Kind of feel the same way...I started the 6 speed conversion in my RS6 last night...taking my time and having fun...cost me nothing but a bunch of used parts...and maybe a good clutch...

 

Give Markski a call he will set you up on the right path!

 

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Originally Posted by 32krazy!
for me what i found was more and more cars are selling at stock prices with high end mods done. mine had 40k$ in receipts yet i paid the same as a bone stock 996 turbo. so im making the most of the mods i already have
so again for me i found k24 upgrade all the exhaust work, upgraded d/v and 75 mm t/b and plenum, clutch already in place. im adding the intake parts to compliment a new tune and injectors to take the k24 turbos to their peak performance. so far i have about 4k$ in the mods (inc. the 4.5" i/c im building and the awesome numeric shifter) now add another 2000$ for the tune. at 6000$ if i can get close to 600 rwhp ill be very happy with the car for a pretty good while. fast enough to beat most on the street but completely dependable. right now im at 490 rwhp. if i dont get close then ill spend another 1500 to get my k24 rebuilt to k24/20 and see what happens. again for me thats about as far as i will need to go.
i also enjoy the hp chase. i enjoy wrenching my own cars and i just cant "go with the flow" i do like to try a road less traveled and if i succeed i feel that much better. i will never be ground breaking like tim or powell or guys that have unlimited budgets. but i can carve a little slice of heaven in my own corner!
btw theres no labor for me. i have a lift in my garage and a huge toolbox. its my way to decompress and learn all about the car


Me three...I have gone down a similar path developing and testing various upgrades for my own car that have become a large part of the SpeedTech line. Most of them were developed because what I wanted for my own car did not exist at the time. Some of these 996TT items that I developed because they did not exist were the 75mm large mouth Y-Pipe to match a 75mm TB with 2.5" legs, 70mm Hi-Flow intake plenum with hard piping for ultimate flow, strength & turbo safety, 100 cell hi-flow "quiet" X-Flow exhaust, 3" straight X-Pipe with no mufflers, Brockway/SpeedTech R9000 Multi gauge 996 DIN mount and CF Din Mount & GT2 non-assisted clutch conversion...

Developing mods along "the road less travelled" as Steve so eloquently put it was very rewarding and a lot of fun - sharing them now with others is just as much fun...!

 

Go John. I always try and go down the road less traveled myself. Sometimes it does get me in a bit of trouble or cost me a bundle but never the less it is a ton of fun!
I see a lot of mod paths that waist a lot of money; very little gain for the big bucks.
One of which is the turbo intake pipes a lot of companies have out there ranging from 1K-2K. There are easier ways, which would cost a lot less, and be more efficient. The MAFless tune would help as well as a reliable, accurate, MAF sensor that can easily be integrated to work with the factory ECU.
I am building a 2.5" into 3.5" Y-pipe right now which will mate into a MAF then neck down to the TB. I don't have the larger plenum or a larger Throttle Body so I will neck it down just using a silicone reducer hose. Later if I get the plenum and TB, then it will be just as easy as replacing the hose to make it all work together. I also got a Carbon Fiber one. I will test both to see how it works. I like the idea of the carbon fiber; should look really nice.
Getting side tracked here a bit but back to my hypothetical turbo question…

Who else, if possible, would be all excited about a dual ball bearing turbo upgrade that can make from 600 all the way up to 900+ which could still be able to spool up as quickly as the 16G, 18Gs and only be in the low $4000s?? It would include headers, 1bar WGs, upgraded blow off valves. Could sell your stock turbos to get some money towards it.
What if this was theoretically possible… How many of you would consider such a setup? Curious.

 

I thought Garret type turbos are dual ball bearing already?

 

They are over $5000 right?

 

Intake pipes on a 18g car will outperform your car with 18gs that has - "2.5" into 3.5" Y-pipe right now which will mate into a MAF then neck down to the TB."
However, on a 30r set up sure you want everything to be open but not on entry level 550whp cars... change the piping to the turbos from your airbox on a 18g car and you will spool up faster, have more TQ and WHP by 30.... the big Y pipe your building will not do it... just look pretty...
not arguing just telling you facts... As John stated, I likewise was just a member/client but I learned the hard way spending north of $300k on my car over the years... IF you can build your own parts thats great, but stating they are bug bucks for little gains does not... Most car owners do not build nor weld... and just because you do does not mean we the vendors are wrong in any way. Spend a few months making molded end tanks, pay your cad designer, the fabricator, the foundry that makes the sample, then test it.. make adjustments, back to molding, then production... things do cost money to make.... some of us do not rebrand and resell CHinese knock offs.. I and many others take pride in what we do but to say intake pipes to turbos are overpriced and worthless is simply wrong...
As far as you saying that a turbo will spool up like a 16g and make 900+ for $4K with headers is not only not possible theoretically but more so practically... thats just simply wishful thinking or someone is selling you big dreams...
good luck
markski