"normal wear " of rear tires
#46
I've heard conflicting stories on this. The GT2/3 have solid bushings and I've been told moving to them is negligible NVH. Have you tried them or know someone that has? Raising the rear subframe on my lowered car would help get some of the suspension closer to where it was designed to sit. I'm wary of swapping many pieces out for solid monoball, I'm just not sure which pieces will put me over the edge for a street car
i say overkill.
Last edited by '02996ttx50; 03-11-2016 at 06:24 PM.
#47
I'm fortunate to work on a number of 996TT's, including my dad's 6tt. Suspension on these cars suffer very little NVH going to monoball/solid pieces...things like exhaust and trans mounts make BIG differences to NVH.
Forget tunes, exhausts, wheels, etc First thing I would do owning a 996tt is completely revamp the suspension...everything monoball/solid mounted with '6 or '7 GT2/3 or RS uprights and coilovers...well, maybe proper seats as well
IMHO, avoid poly bushings for any pivot points, monoball/rose joint or rubber..no poly
Cheers,
Forget tunes, exhausts, wheels, etc First thing I would do owning a 996tt is completely revamp the suspension...everything monoball/solid mounted with '6 or '7 GT2/3 or RS uprights and coilovers...well, maybe proper seats as well
IMHO, avoid poly bushings for any pivot points, monoball/rose joint or rubber..no poly
Cheers,
#48
Suspension upgrades first
I'm fortunate to work on a number of 996TT's, including my dad's 6tt. Suspension on these cars suffer very little NVH going to monoball/solid pieces...things like exhaust and trans mounts make BIG differences to NVH.
Forget tunes, exhausts, wheels, etc First thing I would do owning a 996tt is completely revamp the suspension...everything monoball/solid mounted with '6 or '7 GT2/3 or RS uprights and coilovers...well, maybe proper seats as well
IMHO, avoid poly bushings for any pivot points, monoball/rose joint or rubber..no poly
Cheers,
Forget tunes, exhausts, wheels, etc First thing I would do owning a 996tt is completely revamp the suspension...everything monoball/solid mounted with '6 or '7 GT2/3 or RS uprights and coilovers...well, maybe proper seats as well
IMHO, avoid poly bushings for any pivot points, monoball/rose joint or rubber..no poly
Cheers,
Last edited by Duane996tt; 03-11-2016 at 08:24 PM.
#49
Going from an 85 Carrera to a 95 993, the first thing that struck me was the ride height and soft suspension. Swapped everything out for Konis and M030 springs. The 996t was more of the same. Swapped out for PSS10 but couldn't get a street alignment. Dog bones and adjustable toe links solved the problem. The rear sway bar rubbed so Tarrett drop links sent in. They are a bit noisy, grease packed dust boots solved that. I could feel the motor and tranny moving around. 964RS motor mounts and a 997 tranny mount fixed that. A Europipe and tune unlocked some more HP and Europipes don't drone and can pass the visual smog test too. With 20/20 hindsight, I should have popped the extra $$ for a GT2.
#50
GT2 conversion
I have thought about it. Conversion of this type usually lower resale value. But given my age, this may be the last Pcar so I'll die with it, resale be dammed.
#51
GT2 made a lot of sense for 'hard' street/track use a couple years ago, pricing has changed and now a modded 996tt might make more sense now...going 2wd/GT2 parts makes modding suspension easy...
People need to be careful about using adjustable dogbones, it changes the kinematics at non-stock dimensions...
+1
Values are going up anyway, and who cares...how do you value LIVING life enjoy!
People need to be careful about using adjustable dogbones, it changes the kinematics at non-stock dimensions...
Going from an 85 Carrera to a 95 993, the first thing that struck me was the ride height and soft suspension. Swapped everything out for Konis and M030 springs. The 996t was more of the same. Swapped out for PSS10 but couldn't get a street alignment. Dog bones and adjustable toe links solved the problem. The rear sway bar rubbed so Tarrett drop links sent in. They are a bit noisy, grease packed dust boots solved that. I could feel the motor and tranny moving around. 964RS motor mounts and a 997 tranny mount fixed that. A Europipe and tune unlocked some more HP and Europipes don't drone and can pass the visual smog test too. With 20/20 hindsight, I should have popped the extra $$ for a GT2.
Values are going up anyway, and who cares...how do you value LIVING life enjoy!
#52
So now I have the Metzger powered Cab in RWD, my dream car and the turbo is just icing on the cake. Before I bought the Turbo, I heard a guy that owned a C4 say the car's perfect It handles like it's on rails. I knew then I wouldn't like it at all.
I kept all my FWD parts and they are mint so in half a day or less I can put it all back stock for resale or just show the parts to the potential buyer.
#53
I'd also love to have a GT2-bit'ed 6TT cabrio...would be a sweet summer road car
I was a bit hesitant to do it but finally did after owning the car for nearly 5 years. The only thing I didn't like about the car since the day I bought it was AWD. I previously had a 996 C2 and liked driving it more than the Turbo as it was closer to the 911 experience that I knew and loved. The AWD TT was very far removed. So one day I decided I needed light agile steering and no front wheels pulling me along with the rears pushing. I bought a 911 with the Metzger motor which I wanted, didn't care about the turbo so much but it only came with the Cab body and I had to take the AWD as well.
So now I have the Metzger powered Cab in RWD, my dream car and the turbo is just icing on the cake. Before I bought the Turbo, I heard a guy that owned a C4 say the car's perfect It handles like it's on rails. I knew then I wouldn't like it at all.
I kept all my FWD parts and they are mint so in half a day or less I can put it all back stock for resale or just show the parts to the potential buyer.
So now I have the Metzger powered Cab in RWD, my dream car and the turbo is just icing on the cake. Before I bought the Turbo, I heard a guy that owned a C4 say the car's perfect It handles like it's on rails. I knew then I wouldn't like it at all.
I kept all my FWD parts and they are mint so in half a day or less I can put it all back stock for resale or just show the parts to the potential buyer.
#54
I haven't done an alignment yet after installing mine, but even so, the outside of the tire is wearing fast now. My toe must be all jacked up. Lol. Tires were done so I don't really care.
#55
"This is Normal"
"This is Normal" seems to be the standard dealership answer for any issues on a Pcar.
#57
My indy 4 wheel align was $59.99 and dead nuts spot on.
#58
As aforementioned, guys when the inner inch of the tire is significantly worn well before the rest of the tire it is likely that the toe is out. I have had my car for over 7 years and been through this. I have JICs and very low. Upper rear dog bones and adjustable toe links. I wish I had the first few rear sets of tires I wasted trying to solve this issue so maybe this will help you save yours! If you have lowered or changed your geometry better get toe links.
Finally, if the cords are showing as mentioned above and your shop tells you it's "normal wear" I recommend you educate them on this .
Finally, if the cords are showing as mentioned above and your shop tells you it's "normal wear" I recommend you educate them on this .
#59
As aforementioned, guys when the inner inch of the tire is significantly worn well before the rest of the tire it is likely that the toe is out. I have had my car for over 7 years and been through this. I have JICs and very low. Upper rear dog bones and adjustable toe links. I wish I had the first few rear sets of tires I wasted trying to solve this issue so maybe this will help you save yours! If you have lowered or changed your geometry better get toe links.
Finally, if the cords are showing as mentioned above and your shop tells you it's "normal wear" I recommend you educate them on this .
Finally, if the cords are showing as mentioned above and your shop tells you it's "normal wear" I recommend you educate them on this .
If you are getting no inner tire wear, your car is not compressing the springs on the rear suspension upon acceleration. If you are extremely low to start with, maybe you are hitting the bump stops and limiting suspension movement thereby not increasing toe in.
That's my take, does it make sense?