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Old Feb 10, 2006 | 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by VRAlexander
(I have clicked of 1.52-1.56 60foot times on Toyo R1's) ...
That's a serious launch!
The problem with the 1st-2nd. gear are the revs drop of around 3100RPMs (stock 996TT) because of the gearbox ratios. The Cup ratios (993GT2 as well) are 3.15 in 1st and 2.00 in second gear, which drops your RPMs by around 2400 instead.
 
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While wer'e on the topic, why is it that corvettes can launch without wheel hop and ALL Porsches are cursed with this trait? Trust me it's not because Corvettes handle curves poorly.
Not entirely true. I have driven a Z06 that had wheel hop. However, I think I got wheel hop because it wasn't my car so I didn't launch hard enough. It seems that you can avoid wheel hop if you can get the tires to spin fast enough that they can't gain traction. On the Corvette, it's just a matter of giving enough RPMs to break the rear end loose and spin the wheels fast enough. With a 996/997, the problem is all of the weight above the wheels. You just can't get enough wheelspin to completely break traction. For some reason though, I have seen people burnout and do donuts with 993s and 911s but never 996s or 997s. Too much tire width on the 996/997? I Have no idea.....
 
Old Feb 10, 2006 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by VRAlexander
In order to get a good launch (I have clicked of 1.52-1.56 60foot times on Toyo R1's) you have to let the clutch eat the entire first gear. I stage my car, pull the e-brake, then slip the clutch and spool up 4-5psi of boost, then I drop the brake and ride the clutch until the shift to second (I do not lift for my gearchanges). If you shift it right, you should only loose between 2-3psi of boost between shifts.
This technique worked well on my turbo until I got the car back from Protomotive. Now if I launch under boost, or powershift the car 1-2, it tends to overpower the wheels to the point where the car will do an involuntary U-TURN and usually snaps an axel..
I hope my technique helps you guys...
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Old Feb 10, 2006 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by VRAlexander
In order to get a good launch (I have clicked of 1.52-1.56 60foot times on Toyo R1's) you have to let the clutch eat the entire first gear. I stage my car, pull the e-brake, then slip the clutch and spool up 4-5psi of boost, then I drop the brake and ride the clutch until the shift to second (I do not lift for my gearchanges). If you shift it right, you should only loose between 2-3psi of boost between shifts.
This technique worked well on my turbo until I got the car back from Protomotive. Now if I launch under boost, or powershift the car 1-2, it tends to overpower the wheels to the point where the car will do an involuntary U-TURN and usually snaps an axel..
I hope my technique helps you guys...
I agree with this technique. The best 60ft that I cut on 19" with the Yoko AVS sports (not a great platform for launching) and full tire pressure was 1.79.

However... The problem with doing this is that you will quickly eat up your clutch. I would guess that you have a rather heavy aftermarket clutch that won't complain as much as the stock clutch. Doing this too many times on the stock clutch is a good way to glaze, if not eat it the clutch alive.
 
Old Feb 10, 2006 | 02:41 PM
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I agree with this technique. The best 60ft that I cut on 19" with the Yoko AVS sports (not a great platform for launching) and full tire pressure was 1.79.

However... The problem with doing this is that you will quickly eat up your clutch. I would guess that you have a rather heavy aftermarket clutch that won't complain as much as the stock clutch. Doing this too many times on the stock clutch is a good way to glaze, if not eat it the clutch alive.
True- You have to invest in the best clutch possiable for your application. Since I installed my new Protomotive clutch, I have not had it slip once! I cant even burn the clutch (It likes it- the instructions explain that I have to slip the clutch and warm it up before going racing)! The clutch is homologous to crazy glue...and the result is that I tend to obliterate drivetrain components..
 
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Originally Posted by VRAlexander
In order to get a good launch (I have clicked of 1.52-1.56 60foot times on Toyo R1's) you have to let the clutch eat the entire first gear. I stage my car, pull the e-brake, then slip the clutch and spool up 4-5psi of boost, then I drop the brake and ride the clutch until the shift to second (I do not lift for my gearchanges). If you shift it right, you should only loose between 2-3psi of boost between shifts.
This technique worked well on my turbo until I got the car back from Protomotive. Now if I launch under boost, or powershift the car 1-2, it tends to overpower the wheels to the point where the car will do an involuntary U-TURN and usually snaps an axel..
I hope my technique helps you guys...
Holy god I cant even imagine doing that on stock parts or even lightly modded, that's insane! It seems like you HAVE to do a powershift from 1st to 2nd to have instant spool into the gear, or just shifting fast enough without hitting almost the rev limiter!
 
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Originally Posted by 2thfixr
For some reason though, I have seen people burnout and do donuts with 993s and 911s but never 996s or 997s. Too much tire width on the 996/997? I Have no idea.....
not exactly correct. I can easily drift and do donut like U turns even with the AWD car. This car acts a feels like a RWD for the most part. I haven't tried full on donuts because of concern of hurting the viscous coupling but I have seen videos of it.

I tried some hard launches with a LITTLE bit of clutch slip and the car seemed to repond very well. All grip, little slip and very good results. The small amount of slip didn't seem to hurt the clutch. I'm getting the hang of it.

Still miss RWD cars a little though. I miss those tire smoking starts!
 

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