I understand marc.... coming from europe at an early age .. I developed a sense pride in my ethnicity and or maybe products they make... like cars for example....
however, the 996tt block has been around for a while and there are a few people in this country , like race teams, that do know whats up with these motors.... after all... Orbit racing(American gt3 rs team) in the Lemans and Lolex series Campion).. a company that did my car 3 years ago.... took 2nd place in 2003 in France at the most exclusive race of the year... The Lemans.... so there are people that do know a little bit about building motors... the bottom end of this tt has been around fo9 many years...
just my thoughts...
Orbit racing is in Jupiter just 30 minutes away form Miami

 

Where do you get your information that Ruf is "semi factory" backed?

On the contrary, look at what company's like 911 Design EVOMS, IA, Protomotive and S Car Go offer on their websites as aftermarket internal motor parts. Now look at what Ruf (others) offers. This says volumne's. Like you .......... no insult to anyone.

If you want to go to the current european leaders, they appear to be Manthey and 9ff. I have been trying to get any of them to become involved in a cross Atlantic shootout to no avail. My opinion is they would be risking too much. If you think any of them would walk away with anything you would be in for a very big surprise.

 

Mark Orbit is awesome I agree there are people that have the capabilities. I happen to know the Alois Ruf happens to have a very good relationship with many people at Porsche and when they need info they get it if you know what I mean. Why do you think they were the first people to mod a 997 and stick a Turbo motor in it? Huh...Chad I am not knocking any of you this is purley my opinion nothing more.

 

Mark,

In my opinion the Ruf is very good .............. just not on the pedestal that you think they are. My opinion is Manthey currently leads the pack in Europe. Second, currently there isn't any info on any part of the 996tt motor that we need. We have obtained all info required from the US, Belgium, UK and Germany. My motor has very few Porsche parts. Why, because Porsche doesn't make many of the parts we need. There is no doubt they could, but the fact is they don't.

There is nothing special about installing a turbo motor in a 997. They did it because they have a manufacturer status and it is profitable. I believe 9ff has also done it. I'm looking at installing the 997 modified rear fenders and modified bumper on KA. Do you realize it is a fairly simple install because parts are adaptable? Has Ruf installed a GT3 based turbo motor in a 996? I don't believe so. This is not to say they couldn't.

I realize what you say is your opinion and I respect your opinion. I just don't agree with all of it. KA is going to be finished before summertime. Alex and myself will be getting our cars together for some sh*t's and giggles. No, we really don't care who wins what, but forward me some of the times of the contests of this Ruf you are talking about and we'll honestly tell you how we fair.

 

Wow I take that personal. I was one of the first to start building, no I don't mean assemble these motors. There is a difference. Any monkey can slap a motor together. We were also one of the first to determine there was an small issue causing the thrust bearing to wear. So I disagree with that statement in so many ways. We have done things to these motors that few still have done.

We have custom pistons made aside from CP as well as headwork available through CNC. The list goes on.

 

I dont think that u have to be German(tuner) to understand german race technology.... Im 50/50 on this one... in a way I agree because back when the ***** invaded my homeland, Poland... they steamed rolled in pantzer tanks... that were light years ahead... meanwhile we were on horseback... So when it comes to technological advances.... they are second to none. But I think we also have some brilliant minds here in the US as well. here in the US me mastered V8s... the Japaneese did the very efficient 4 bangers(turbos).... meanwhile the Germans figured out how to squeeze the most Hp per liter of displacement...
sorry for the analogy... i just didnt know how to express the idea any other way...

 

Marc,

Who won the war? Any doubt? Besides the English invented the tank and yes the Germans made an improved version.I believe the Abrams M1 is currently the best tank in the world. Let's get back to the question. Porsche doesn't race 996tt's. Who makes the most powerful 996tt motor's? Who sells these parts over the counter to the public? Where are these people located?

If you really want to push it then take the GT3's and Le Mans winners, where are these guys from?

At one time the Germans were at the top of the world with no one even remotely close regarding these boxster motors ............... this is no longer the case. Things are very close. I don't think there is any question that there is far more fast Porsche's in NA thab there is in Europe and these cars are being modified over here.

Go to the German tuners or manufacturer's and try to get GT1 oil pumps, custom rods, pistons, cranks, cams, valves, heads, intakes, turbo's etc. Try obtaining the specs on any of these parts! It use to be they had all the secrets and the consumer paid dearly without even knowing what was being done outside of a vague discription and the torque and hp numbers. This has all changed. Most of the information/parts are now available at a greatly reduced price here in the US. I might also add without the help of Porsche Motorsports NA.

 

Craig

 

Well guys, to test this theory, I just called RUF (factory in Pffafenhausen) in Germany. Since I speak the language I represented myself as a 2001 turbo owner who wanted 800+ daily driven hp out of my car. The tech guy passed me on to a rep. for ordering who said that I would need to speak with a US dealer. I acknowledged the response and explained to them that the dealer did not offer a 800hp package, so I wanted a one-off and I was willing to pay. To make a long story short, they tried to sell me on a 650hp RUF RT12 and said that was all the power that I would ever need, and the fastest automobile that I would ever experience (lol). He explained that they could not build a "one-off" or even attain 800hp on a daily driver! I thanked him for his time and ended the "priceless" colloquy. After this conversation, you guys can make up your own minds....

Ruf does make a phenomenal turbo, but on this subject I would have to agree with the guys..(Stephen, Marski, CJV, Craig)

 

Alexander.. thats so funny.. I cant believe u actually did that...

 

Can you think of a better way to settle this "opinion"?? How's your project coming along?

 

Have them bring "the fastest car in the world to a shoot out". I tried for two years running to get them to come out

So there you have it. Ruf _is_ the best in the world

 

Please Define "best" and also at what???

They definetly can "out carbon" anything from the San Jose area!
When is your flight out to Phoenix?

Or you could open door number 2:
Plan B: Ride shotgun in the Porsche(hmmmm). The road from LV to PHX (notice the airport abbr) has long strethes where 230MPH has been achieved in the past.....

 

No but I'm sure if you call their sales team they'll tell you that the RT-12 is the fastest car you'll ever drive.. way faster than Chow's....

I will lay down the smack right now and tell any CF-punk to try and take me on

I leave late Friday night.. Too many strip clubs between here and there even with 230mph

 

Dont forget to bring your CF condoms!

I have an idea (this is what happens when you have too much time on your hands). I am going to have my attorney draft a contract with a copy of a $300K Cashiers Check payable to Ruf. Then, give RUF in Germany a call and invite them to come to LVMS to take on my Protomotive 996tt on a two way challenge (Craig, if this happens, I think you should get in on this since Sharkeys CF Porsche is for show now ) against the RT12. If they come out victorious, the 300K will insure me my own RT12, if not well then.........Sharkey can see them some CF ??