Rofl, BIG daddy brakes ...
Originally Posted by E46MTrizy
Here are some pix of the rotor....
Im going to even assuming that the 996TT 355mm kit is identical to the e46 M3 kit with just a diffrent hat's and mounting brackets! Buyer Beware



Im going to even assuming that the 996TT 355mm kit is identical to the e46 M3 kit with just a diffrent hat's and mounting brackets! Buyer Beware



Both front rotors were identical.... IMHO the pads are the real problem... I could understand if i melted the "Street" pads at the track , but this should never have happened on a car that isnt tracked at all.
Regardless the failure was nothing but a huge problem for me , which finally resulted in me not wanting the car anymore.
Regardless the failure was nothing but a huge problem for me , which finally resulted in me not wanting the car anymore.
Originally Posted by E46MTrizy
Both front rotors were identical.... IMHO the pads are the real problem... I could understand if i melted the "Street" pads at the track , but this should never have happened on a car that isnt tracked at all.
Regardless the failure was nothing but a huge problem for me , which finally resulted in me not wanting the car anymore.
Regardless the failure was nothing but a huge problem for me , which finally resulted in me not wanting the car anymore.
I spoke to there head tech and they blamed me for not bedding them in properly... which is BS, but regardless they gave me new pads and rotor rings for 1/2 price... Which cost me like $500 +/- and then the same exact thing happened in 3 months. There tech was really good about it, but in the end it was just a mess for me and nothing but a huge headache.
Originally Posted by E46MTrizy
I spoke to there head tech and they blamed me for not bedding them in properly... which is BS, but regardless they gave me new pads and rotor rings for 1/2 price... Which cost me like $500 +/- and then the same exact thing happened in 3 months. There tech was really good about it, but in the end it was just a mess for me and nothing but a huge headache.
to be fair, i have not tried Rotora, or Tarox or any of the other aftermarket BBK manufacturers.
having said that, next to tires, why would you want to scrimp on brakes? any really good deals on BBK's that represent a massive discount to the kits offered by the blue chip brake companies, should raise suspicion. brakes are not niche products, and i am a firm believer in efficient markets. ok, so some brands will still command some premium, but you will get what you pay for.
Brembo, AP Racing, Alcon. Between these guys, you probably cover 90%+ of all the big name race cars out there. With a little research on the right BBK from these guys for your needs, you can't go wrong, IMHO.
From what i've read, StopTech, Movit, Project Mu and Endless (the latter two more for JDM's of course) also have good heritage and proven success.
having said that, next to tires, why would you want to scrimp on brakes? any really good deals on BBK's that represent a massive discount to the kits offered by the blue chip brake companies, should raise suspicion. brakes are not niche products, and i am a firm believer in efficient markets. ok, so some brands will still command some premium, but you will get what you pay for.
Brembo, AP Racing, Alcon. Between these guys, you probably cover 90%+ of all the big name race cars out there. With a little research on the right BBK from these guys for your needs, you can't go wrong, IMHO.
From what i've read, StopTech, Movit, Project Mu and Endless (the latter two more for JDM's of course) also have good heritage and proven success.
Originally Posted by E46MTrizy
Here are some pix of the rotor....
Im going to even assuming that the 996TT 355mm kit is identical to the e46 M3 kit with just a diffrent hat's and mounting brackets! Buyer Beware
BTW there is about 3000 miles on these rotors
Im going to even assuming that the 996TT 355mm kit is identical to the e46 M3 kit with just a diffrent hat's and mounting brackets! Buyer Beware
BTW there is about 3000 miles on these rotors
I like stoptech, they make great stuff, a friend sells them in uk.
Originally Posted by E46MTrizy
Both front rotors were identical.... IMHO the pads are the real problem... I could understand if i melted the "Street" pads at the track , but this should never have happened on a car that isnt tracked at all.
Regardless the failure was nothing but a huge problem for me , which finally resulted in me not wanting the car anymore.
Regardless the failure was nothing but a huge problem for me , which finally resulted in me not wanting the car anymore.
Originally Posted by Vicious
More pistons doesn't even remotely = more power. Braking power is a function of Pressure, (force applied by pistons x pad area), rotor size, and pad compound. To a certain point additional pistons will aid in cooling capcity, but not as much as you would think.
Honestly I think those 12 piston calipers are a joke. You would enounter so much caliper flex it wouldn't even be funny.
I'd be willing to bet a brembo GTR monobloc (8 piston) or even a baer/brembo 6 piston monobloc would dominate those foo foo tinker toys in a real race environment.
Look at what the alms/GT/GT2 cars run... monster brembo/AP/Alcon 6-8 piston monobloc calipers with full recirculating fluid system.
12 piston makes you think your
is bigger.
bad *** Alcon monobloc really DOES make it bigger.
Honestly I think those 12 piston calipers are a joke. You would enounter so much caliper flex it wouldn't even be funny.
I'd be willing to bet a brembo GTR monobloc (8 piston) or even a baer/brembo 6 piston monobloc would dominate those foo foo tinker toys in a real race environment.
Look at what the alms/GT/GT2 cars run... monster brembo/AP/Alcon 6-8 piston monobloc calipers with full recirculating fluid system.
12 piston makes you think your
is bigger.bad *** Alcon monobloc really DOES make it bigger.

really isn't bigger?
Originally Posted by mitchmarket
Yeah but, every ****** nozzle with absolutely no idea what makes a great set of brakes great, just wanting to be the biggest poser on the block, who could actually care less about performance looking at those 12 piston calipers is thinking, "Hey, that's sick, I want a set!"
So, the Brembo monster race set is probably marginally better for all out endurance racing (@ twice the price) but, these 12 pistons are amazing to look at. Let all be honest, we all like making our 996 Turbo look great; this is just something new that people will buy. :-)
So, the Brembo monster race set is probably marginally better for all out endurance racing (@ twice the price) but, these 12 pistons are amazing to look at. Let all be honest, we all like making our 996 Turbo look great; this is just something new that people will buy. :-)
They aren't amazing to look at, they look like taiwanese CRAP to me. That kind of scratch for some lame bolt together calipers makes me laugh. And yes I really believe a good set of monoblocs will decimate those things everywhere, not just in hard core endurance racing. Drive a car with a great set of brakes sometime and you'll never go back.
Pedal feel, that would depend on the total piston area/volume in those calipers. If they are all sized to have the equal volume of the stock caliper it wouldn't feel any different other than being very mushy from caliper flex.
I wouldn't pass on Stoptechs either, they do work very well (even for being only 4 pistons
) but they aren't up to par with the others.
I have used rotora brakes before on some of my imports and I never had a problem with them. I am not saying they will stand up to the likes of Brembo or AP, but you get what you pay for in my opinion.
For the record yes traction is a HUGE issue if you're trying to stop from 80mph. When you're 180+ the chances of boiling the fluid, torching pads, etc. is a MUCH bigger issue.
I'll take these; with a basic 14" rotor over those foo foo 12's every day of the week.

notice there are NO BOLTS holding the caliper together.
Thats a true monobloc (aka it's one effin solid chunk of aluminum, magnesium, etc) That **** will practically crush a rotor before it flexes.
fyi that one is made by Alcon for Baer.
And they are right in the same price range as those pep-boys specials.
I'll take these; with a basic 14" rotor over those foo foo 12's every day of the week.

notice there are NO BOLTS holding the caliper together.
Thats a true monobloc (aka it's one effin solid chunk of aluminum, magnesium, etc) That **** will practically crush a rotor before it flexes.fyi that one is made by Alcon for Baer.
And they are right in the same price range as those pep-boys specials.
Originally Posted by MARKSKI
LOL
Next are the ERP solid mounts and subframe bushings... and billet upper/lower control arms.. all on the way... Then IM OFF to Tulsa for a 1/4 run...
markski
Next are the ERP solid mounts and subframe bushings... and billet upper/lower control arms.. all on the way... Then IM OFF to Tulsa for a 1/4 run...
markski
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