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Old 03-03-2007, 02:29 PM
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Honestly I'd brake boost in 4th gear because regardless your goign to lose a little bit of time having to shift. You make enough power where when its in boost it will not really matter that your in a lower RPM.

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OT: I am picking up my Cayenne TT tomorrow: My wife and I went to the hospital yesterday and found out (5 months preggo) that we are having a boy!

The Ultrasound tech highlighted his ********* (wench said "see those tiny things") and I said "must be from your side of the family, sweetie."
1. Congrats on the boy! No girl problems to deal with, and a buddy to with cars!

2. Congrats on the CTT!

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I havent figured out how to turn the darn air off in mine yet
 
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Old 03-03-2007, 02:45 PM
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You guys have clearly never driven any slow cars That has been the case for every car I've ever driven with AC. In many sub-200 hp cars on a hot summer day, you can actually feel the difference if you turn it off while accelerating. Nothing unique for the GT2/TT.
 
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Old 03-03-2007, 02:58 PM
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I could feel it in my stock Mustang GT and in my G35 (which makes about 350 to the crank)
 
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On both of my previous DSMs, one of the mods I did was to remove the AC entirely once I had the engine out - compressor, condenser, lines, belts. Made a noticible difference in acceleration with less drag from the belts and the weight savings. Too bad they were both black with black leather. Summertimes were a biotch.
 
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Old 03-03-2007, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by WOODTSTER
I did not know this but I ALWAYS run my windows up and AIR ON at the
track!! Basking in the comfort of the world's greatest all around sports car!!


MK
Windows up at the track?
 
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hmmm... I heard the opposite. The AC takes about 2-3 hp.
 
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Old 03-03-2007, 08:17 PM
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Considering that the AC switches off durning WOT and then turns back on it would not use any HP overall at that point. I have dynoed the cars with the AC on and off and the numbers do not change for this reason. One can assume that the cooler fuel would help cool the back of the valve faster under a long run. We use to do this when we were broke building high CR engines. We would dump lots of fuel not for the fuel but for the colling effect on the back of the valve.
 
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I would think that the parasitic losses from running the compressor outweight the gains from cooling, no?

I mean, if you look at the system, this is a zero sum game. You can't gain energy, just move it around.
 
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Old 03-04-2007, 10:33 AM
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Not really. The container is rather large so unless you have a volume drop or a pressure drop then you would gain more by cooling the valve.
 
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Originally Posted by PorschePhd
Not really. The container is rather large so unless you have a volume drop or a pressure drop then you would gain more by cooling the valve.
If that is true, where is your horsepower gain on the dyno. You already posted that it makes no difference. I agree that cooler gas is beneficial, but running the A/C is not a way to do it to gain power.
 
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Old 03-04-2007, 11:07 AM
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You are taking my post out of context. My point was it does not subtract any HP because it switches off at WOT. I have not run a test specifically with the AC off for a series of prolong runs and therefore have incomplete data. Meaning the unit should remain off for all the runs, idling, etc. I can run that test if anyone REALLY wants to know. It is built in the car so I doubt anyone would remove it.
 

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What about using "Air Conditioning Technology" in a more direct means to cool intake temps? Like piping AC lines through your intercoolers for example?
 
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Congrats on the boy buddy, btw PS2's should be fine once warmed up, they stick amazingly well for street performance tires , goodluck at the track and be safe
 


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