gt2 owners... why did you upgrade your suspension
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Originally Posted by Fabryce@GMGRacing
The stock GT2 suspension is far from "excellent" In fact most of the cars that arrived on US shores needed to be re-aligned and set up.
We have upgraded several GT2 including our own with Motons/JRZ's - Ohlins and there is a signifigant improvement over the stock system.
At a minimum have the car corner balanced and re-aligned by a shop that knows suspension set up.
We have upgraded several GT2 including our own with Motons/JRZ's - Ohlins and there is a signifigant improvement over the stock system.
At a minimum have the car corner balanced and re-aligned by a shop that knows suspension set up.
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Originally Posted by Dr_jitsu
I agree that there is no need to add hp until you have some seat time.
However, I am looking for the ultimate all around car. I estimate I will only get to the track about once or twice a year. I would love to go more, especially if I can get quality instruction, but to go all the time runs at least 8-10K a year and puts tons of stress on the car. If you are willing to invest that much time and effort, and the really good drivers do, then yes I would recommend Motons. Actually, what I would do is to put in a year in a less expensive track car like a Miata, and then build the ultimate Track GT2 or preferably a GT3 (see below).
I know it sounds childish, but I do a fair amount of street racing (we always try and make it as safe as possible) and I also compete in 60-130 events. I need as much hp as possible to be competative.
I want a car that does it all so anything under my current hp levels would never be satisfactory. The track is exciting and these cars were designed for that purpose. But so is neck snapping acceleration. My advice is, if you want a purely track oriented car is to pass on a GT2 and instead get a GT3.
However, purists would most likely side w/ Fabryce and argue that I was not using the car for its intended purposes.
However, I am looking for the ultimate all around car. I estimate I will only get to the track about once or twice a year. I would love to go more, especially if I can get quality instruction, but to go all the time runs at least 8-10K a year and puts tons of stress on the car. If you are willing to invest that much time and effort, and the really good drivers do, then yes I would recommend Motons. Actually, what I would do is to put in a year in a less expensive track car like a Miata, and then build the ultimate Track GT2 or preferably a GT3 (see below).
I know it sounds childish, but I do a fair amount of street racing (we always try and make it as safe as possible) and I also compete in 60-130 events. I need as much hp as possible to be competative.
I want a car that does it all so anything under my current hp levels would never be satisfactory. The track is exciting and these cars were designed for that purpose. But so is neck snapping acceleration. My advice is, if you want a purely track oriented car is to pass on a GT2 and instead get a GT3.
However, purists would most likely side w/ Fabryce and argue that I was not using the car for its intended purposes.
'extra stress'... just what did you buy the car for? To be a garage queen, poser street driver? It's a GT2, use it for what it was built for and track the ever living chit out of it. If you want a highway monster and want to have the biggest baddest car around, get a viper or supra... viper will make a much better track car than the sup if you have the brass to drive it hard.
I have yet to see ANY car that doesn't greatly improve from a well setup adjustable shock upgrade. Be it moton, penske, or w/e... finding someone to valve/tune/adjust everything is key. The difference from what you thought was good, to what really is, will blow your mind.
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Maybe on a Viper there Vic, but not a GT2,
I spoke with highly accomplished professional Driver sam Shalala (he held the track record at Texas World Speedway for a Porsche powered car, and professionally has over 100 podium finishes to his credit as a driver. He has finished second in IMSA's 24 Hours of Daytona, fourth at the 12 Hours of Sebring and numerous top five finishes) and he laughed.
Porsche has spent millions of dollars getting the suspension on the GT2 just right. 9 out of 10 times when someone tries to upgrade it they usually spend over 20 grand and the suspension is often worse than stock.
Just get it corner balanced.
As far as getting to the track it is so freaking expensive. I want to go regularly but I have to join MSR (3K) pay monthly fees (another 3.6k per year) and pay for instruction. 10 plus k a year is too freakin much, sorry.
I will just go when there are sponsored events, probably a couple of times a year.
I spoke with highly accomplished professional Driver sam Shalala (he held the track record at Texas World Speedway for a Porsche powered car, and professionally has over 100 podium finishes to his credit as a driver. He has finished second in IMSA's 24 Hours of Daytona, fourth at the 12 Hours of Sebring and numerous top five finishes) and he laughed.
Porsche has spent millions of dollars getting the suspension on the GT2 just right. 9 out of 10 times when someone tries to upgrade it they usually spend over 20 grand and the suspension is often worse than stock.
Just get it corner balanced.
As far as getting to the track it is so freaking expensive. I want to go regularly but I have to join MSR (3K) pay monthly fees (another 3.6k per year) and pay for instruction. 10 plus k a year is too freakin much, sorry.
I will just go when there are sponsored events, probably a couple of times a year.
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I don't see how you can argue the gt2 suspension cannot use improvment. Regardless of the margin of improvement, investing in better suspension will have it's benefits to some. The moton shock is undoubtable superior to the factory porsche product. Although the Gt2 is porsches more agressive 911, I bet 90 percent of the owners would feel more comfortable in a more watered down version that doesn't require regular visits to the orthopedic doctor. Dr. Jitsu, I guess I am trying to say politely, STFU.
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You're making such a blanket statement that 'oh they spent $$$ so it's nearly perfect'.... Perfect for who? PMUM would run circles around factory BMW's and such in a mildly modified ACR. But that sure as chit doesn't mean his setup with crazy rear toe-out, spring/shock settings and what not would be ANYWHERE remotely close to what I would like or feel comfortable with. To think that just because the spent a boat load of $$$ that it's perfect is just being a victim of marketing propeganda.
It might be a good balance stock but what happens if you change spring rates, ride height, lighter wheels, etc. Then all of a sudden that 'perfect balance' isn't so perfect anymore, and you need an adjustable shock.
Spend some time around race cars and drivers, you would be amazed how different the car setup is from one driver to another.. driving the exact same car, for the same team, using the exact same parts. To think it's a one size fits all type of thing is myopic at best.
I'm sure they spent eleventy billion dollars on the motor too, but everyone changes that as well, and seeming finds quite a bit more power.
It might be a good balance stock but what happens if you change spring rates, ride height, lighter wheels, etc. Then all of a sudden that 'perfect balance' isn't so perfect anymore, and you need an adjustable shock.
Spend some time around race cars and drivers, you would be amazed how different the car setup is from one driver to another.. driving the exact same car, for the same team, using the exact same parts. To think it's a one size fits all type of thing is myopic at best.
I'm sure they spent eleventy billion dollars on the motor too, but everyone changes that as well, and seeming finds quite a bit more power.
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Originally Posted by Life Dies
I bench 250.
OK, I guess I will let you live then.I see Paulie is following this thread...now he can bench. Stop lurking ya bastid.
I once thought of starting a call in talk radio show called "how much ya bench!"
Any caller who couldn't bench at least 400 would be ridiculed...the hosts would all be guys w/ teeny tiny legs and huge upper bodies.
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