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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 12:30 PM
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Thanks. More tuning questions. Does a CEL from cat bypass adversely effect the tuning ? On a track car , can the software upgrades be configured to keep the CEL from illuminating ?

Off the software subject, is anyone out there with a BMC or K & N panel filter having MAF issues ? "Seems" like most of the issues have been with the intake kits.
IF the CEl light comes on for o2 effeciency for NOT running cats, it does not effect the tune, In the software flash (depending whos fash you use) you can request them to shut the secondary 02 sensors OFF, well, rather just NOT have the ecu look for them and the light wont come on. The cel however doe not effect performance as long as its just that. I just remove the bulb and plug a obd scantool into the car once a week to make sure the car is running nice and there is only that code in it.
 
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Ok, i have a serious question for all 996 na guys. if i were to make the blitz throttle controller work for porsche, release the piggy back timing and fuel controller or modify one to work on porsche (i already have a working protoype) and it would be roughly 200 more than a flash BUt i will hold tuning t


I have a serious question for you guys. i am a porsche owner as well amd picking up another one to do developemtn work. It will debut at sema and we are building a race car to PROVE the performance of the products on the track. My question is this:
1) if we were to work with blitz and make the throttle controller work with porsche and allow the end user to tweak their throttle repsonse themselves to what they desire and keep the price at blitzes retail area,,,would you want it?
2) if i were to actually RELEASE a working piggy back fuel controller with timing and hold training at my shop on my dyno to actually teach the end user about the tuning to their cars and privide tuning services if you dont want to mess with it. Im not going to make outrageous claims on HP, but will guaranty the same as everyone else. APPROX 10 hp safely, but you will have the hardware to tune your own cars, not have to pay for software upgrades and reflashed, and will be compatible with forced induction for the future. The pricing would be roughly 200-300 more for hardware/software, or about the same price if i use another campanies hardware and make it work on the porsche cars with a custom harness and programming setup. WOuld you guys be interested in something like that?
3) What is the MOST money you would spend on forced induction for your cars that are NA if i could garranty a safe 400 wheel HP on your cars?

Going against the grain is cool, but is fanancially taxxing on the development side. Luckily we have been doing development work for apporx 14 yrs and can use what weve done and make it work on porsche and very well. Im simply curious to what people WANT and what would make people happy with and aftermarket manufacturer buildign parts that you request and giving you controll over your cars. Actually looking for input on this one
 
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a little off topic but i believe there is already a product in the market that plugs into our throttle response system by the pedal that amplifys the signals. (i believe they make it for mercedes and bmw as well). i saw a company selling it at waterfeast, costs around 300-400, and it's suppose to completely change how sensitive our gas pedals are

my friend has it on his E63 AMG and he says he loves it
 
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Denis- I really appreciate that you are throwing this out there and are willing to make new things happen. I think the answers will be pretty much positive. And don't forget about the 997 NA guys too buddy!

1) YES! -Without a doubt
2) YES! -That would be hot. - Especially for turbo owners and SC'd cars.
3) "most money" is probably not the right question.. My humble opinion, make the product and price it competitively, same as current products for JDM cars. The main pisser is once the product is "for a Porsche", there is an immediate massive price increase. ..and if you have a turbo pcar.. another massive increase!

Question for you- what is the reality of these things happening? I'll volunteer to test and provide feedback.
 

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a little off topic but i believe there is already a product in the market that plugs into our throttle response system by the pedal that amplifys the signals. (i believe they make it for mercedes and bmw as well). i saw a company selling it at waterfeast, costs around 300-400, and it's suppose to completely change how sensitive our gas pedals are

my friend has it on his E63 AMG and he says he loves it
Yep, but nothing for pcars. A controller for MB or BMW won't work.
 
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Originally Posted by Denis GTPRO
Ok, i have a serious question for all 996 na guys. if i were to make the blitz throttle controller work for porsche, release the piggy back timing and fuel controller or modify one to work on porsche (i already have a working protoype) and it would be roughly 200 more than a flash BUt i will hold tuning t


I have a serious question for you guys. i am a porsche owner as well amd picking up another one to do developemtn work. It will debut at sema and we are building a race car to PROVE the performance of the products on the track. My question is this:
1) if we were to work with blitz and make the throttle controller work with porsche and allow the end user to tweak their throttle repsonse themselves to what they desire and keep the price at blitzes retail area,,,would you want it?
2) if i were to actually RELEASE a working piggy back fuel controller with timing and hold training at my shop on my dyno to actually teach the end user about the tuning to their cars and privide tuning services if you dont want to mess with it. Im not going to make outrageous claims on HP, but will guaranty the same as everyone else. APPROX 10 hp safely, but you will have the hardware to tune your own cars, not have to pay for software upgrades and reflashed, and will be compatible with forced induction for the future. The pricing would be roughly 200-300 more for hardware/software, or about the same price if i use another campanies hardware and make it work on the porsche cars with a custom harness and programming setup. WOuld you guys be interested in something like that?
3) What is the MOST money you would spend on forced induction for your cars that are NA if i could garranty a safe 400 wheel HP on your cars?

Going against the grain is cool, but is fanancially taxxing on the development side. Luckily we have been doing development work for apporx 14 yrs and can use what weve done and make it work on porsche and very well. Im simply curious to what people WANT and what would make people happy with and aftermarket manufacturer buildign parts that you request and giving you controll over your cars. Actually looking for input on this one
If you were to release the piggy back and teach us end users how to tune, I would be very impressed as not only I get a custom tune for my car, I would learn more about cars and tuning in general.
 
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If I may turn #3 around on you, what do you feel is the least you could sell this for and still make what you would consider a reasonable profit? I can tell you the price for the other two SC options doesn't make financial sense to most of us.
 
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For anyone thinking about the lw flywheel, don't think about it any more..do it. I've had one on several cars, but none benefited like my 996 . Had it and the clutch installed today and it's a totally different car. I'm scheduled for a dyno on Fri and was planning to have the exhaust, plenum, REVO flash and filter in by then, but I may try to get a pull with the clutch and flywheel tomorrow, comparing it to the baseline I got a few months back. I'm giddy..the noise from the 1pc wheel is not near as loud as my old BMW and during the 60 miles or so I drove the car today it seemed to get more and more responsive.
Has anyone installed resonated cat pipes ? Opinion on sound and performance?
For those who asked, attached is a pic of the Cross titanium exhaust.
 
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Denis,

That's the answer I was looking for..I wanted to have them shut off so that the CEL would still be available for any real issues..
Good luck on the Blitz prototyping. The electronics seem to be pretty good quality..I've used their boost controllers before.
 
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TRY Inmotion Tuning its 300 for the N/A 996 www.inmotionusa.com

Much more affordable for the 6-8hp
 
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The only thing holding me back on these mods is $$$. Ridiculous that a plenum and software "upgrade" cost $2K. Break it in half and I'm all over it. Just cause we own Porsches doesn't mean we have an endless supply of cash...
 
Old Aug 20, 2008 | 09:22 PM
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If I may turn #3 around on you, what do you feel is the least you could sell this for and still make what you would consider a reasonable profit? I can tell you the price for the other two SC options doesn't make financial sense to most of us.
For forced induction i have used and currently sell the VF supercharger kit and it is badass. very much thinking went into it and i cant knock them. They are in 1 word BADASS. i will be working closely with them because they have rapid prototyping capabilities which others including myself, do not have. Currently, i feel they havethe best forced induction capabilities and dollar per Hp than anything else for NA porsche cars. I endorse their product, the IPD plenum because it works and the hard work it went into it, and KW suspension. The guys at powerchip are also very helpful wit hthe tuning and teaching me the architecture of the factory ecus, I would say a good number including tuning computer/tune with intercooler and unamed type of forced induction making 400 wheel on a 3.4 and 20-30 more on 3.6 and so on on 3.8 can easily be around 9k complete or less. With a built engine the it would support far morehp, but the factory pistons have far to much compression to safely run to much boost. 7-8 psi is about the max safely.

i am not aware of a throttle controller available for Porsches. If there is one i missed and would love to get my hands on one to use and to sell. I love porsche, ferrari, BMW and aston. but ive been tuning japanese and american so long im not used to the lack of parts. the parts available are 2nd to NONE in quality, but there just isnt that much available. The prices are also raised because you are a notch above the rest adn drive a porsche. This shouldnt always be the case. So far, im very impressed by the response
 
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TRY Inmotion Tuning its 300 for the N/A 996 www.inmotionusa.com

Much more affordable for the 6-8hp
Ive used in motion for some customer cars. Very nice person and a very good product. Especially at his pricing. Inmotion is kind of a tuners secret when nothing is available for a tuning on a particular car.
 

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TRY Inmotion Tuning its 300 for the N/A 996 www.inmotionusa.com

Much more affordable for the 6-8hp

Now that looks darn interesting- no need to mail in ECU either. Thanks for the link!
 
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Originally Posted by Rush996
For anyone thinking about the lw flywheel, don't think about it any more..do it. I've had one on several cars, but none benefited like my 996 . Had it and the clutch installed today and it's a totally different car. I'm scheduled for a dyno on Fri and was planning to have the exhaust, plenum, REVO flash and filter in by then, but I may try to get a pull with the clutch and flywheel tomorrow, comparing it to the baseline I got a few months back. I'm giddy..the noise from the 1pc wheel is not near as loud as my old BMW and during the 60 miles or so I drove the car today it seemed to get more and more responsive.
Has anyone installed resonated cat pipes ? Opinion on sound and performance?
For those who asked, attached is a pic of the Cross titanium exhaust.
nice - how much do they weigh and what is the cost? Realize though, these are still standard "mufflers". Instead of mucking around with resonated cats, if you want truly bad-azz sound without breaking the bank pick up a set of AH sport pipes - www.afterhoursautomotive.com - They are a dual-resonated straight-through design and weigh 8.2 lbs. They added 11hp /12tq to my 02 996 (on consistent dyno runs and across the full rpm range), plus the weight savings, plus the added perkiness that straight pipes deliver.
 


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