Alpine 997 i was being sarcastic, DOPEY!!! what i mean is when the gtr beat the gt3 and bmw m3 on a track in england heavychevy said "oh that chris harris can't drive, he was all over the place in the gt3 too tail happy can't drive bla bla bla da bla bla bla bla he's not a PRO DRIVE (very funny coment LAUGH OUT LOUD)!!!! Also i own a 996 tt, have owned a 996 gt3 and also a 993c2s so i'm not a PORSCHE HATER, infact i'm a porsche lover, but when someone else builds a fanastic car (which a gtr is) i'm big enough to admit it, not say oh this and that and he was't a PRO DRIVER (Laugh out loud) its just seems a bit annoying for people to take!!!! (I'M NOT BEING SARCASTIC THIS TIME)!!!!!!!

 

I AM NOT DOPEY - I AM SLEEPY(SARCASTIC).

The comments were not directed entirely towards you. Just everyone is a pro driver nowadays with magazines.

I think the GT-R will have it's place here and I have been one of the fans for years hoping that it would make it to our shores. Just the overhype has created monsters on this forum who do nothing but trash talk. The GT-R to me still has a lot of prove for me to sink 70-90K on a NISSAN at this time. Not an elitist comment but you can't tell me the build quality(outside of the RB26DETT motor) has been great. Value doesn't hold even for the VSPEC II NUR edition(which is one of my favorite editions).

If you are not a troll than I hope no offense was taken. If you are well.. Gloves are off.

 

No offence taken, its just some people seem to be obsessed with knocking a car that is perfectly good infact its bloody brillant!! The point i was trying to make about chris harris was a certain person said that when the gtr beat the gt3 on track (ok only at one curcuit) it was because of his driving which is a complete joke he is a fantastic driver and also a porsche fanatic he loves them, but people just can't accept that the gtr is a good car!!! Is it better than a 997 turbo, very debaitable, but for people even to be arguing about it, just shows how well nissan have done!!!! And what is it with people and the nissan THING, I don't own a porsche because of its name i own it cause its a fuc... brillant car but if Mr Bloggs built a better one in his roof space i'd buy it!!!!!

 

How do you know such details, that can only be felt and witnessed by the seat of YOUR pants? Even at that, your opinion of a vehicles ride quality is still subjective. Considering that YOU were the one telling me that a person MUST OWN a vehicle in order to really make a quality assesment (in regards to the varifying the validity of the GT-R's ring performance of all things lol), how can you cast judgement on the GT-R, ESPECIALLY in regards to its ride quality? Not to mention, you have likely never gotten a ride in a GT-R, let alone driven one or owned one. lol. Did you read that in some magazine article, that is supposedly so meaningless to you? I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you on the GT-R's ride quality, but rather questioning
your credibility, as a lot of people like to do around here. The obvious double standards reel their ugly head...again. This place is too much for me.


Here were your statements to me at an earlier point in time: "Since you do not own the car, have any intentions to buy the car then you should not comment as being the all knowing until such time you have beaten several 997TT owners on the track and on the streets. Until then you are a MAGAZINE Racer with a very limited amount of magazine knowledge, zero experience, and no R35 GT-R.

timeattack - enjoy your ban. It was well deserved. I can chime in anytime I want because I actually own a car that I don't bench race or magazine read about." Don't your statements about the GT-R's ride quality show that you are basically guilty of the same thing? It would be nice to get an apology at least lol.

 

Time attack a very well put together statement!!! hope you get your apology cause it seems you deserve it!!!

 

Clunky gearbox and brutal suspension.. Based on the same mag articles that portrayed the gtr to be quicker than the 997? Porsche Service costs $$$. Personally I don't let anyone work on my cars because even porsche service doesn't take the kind of precious care that I will. Wont feel like your sitting in a 100k car? Well with the extra 50k you can make a custom dry carbon dash and cross stitch it with colored suede if that's what your into. There's all sorts of arguements to be made.

It's partially in the name, but deciding that is just speculation. Porsche the name is well known in the racing circuit. Unless you pay attention to unpopular racing like jgtc you won't know or acknowledge the gtr's impact in racing history. The GT-R's impact in the racing circuit is also roughly only a decade old. It's still relatively a young model compared to the porsche.

Would you have said the same about audi 5 years ago prior to the development of the r8?

Agreed, I don't think the gtr is on par in terms of luxery with the 997tt. Doesn't the 911 have something like 50 years of refinement behind it? The gtr will hit some bumps just like the 911 did during it's first few years.

 

GET GET NOTHING you TROLL.

I quoted Heavy's comments so thanks for playing. I guess the words "IF" doesn't translate in your world to speculation? I speculated as well as Heavy did. But since he has more seat time on the track than both of us he can make a better guess IF the setup is what has been reported in all your favorite magazines. There is a very well regarded tuner in Japan(already quoted it once since you read so much you will know) has thrown out the stock suspension for another set. He said it was garbage for the streets. Also the reports for the TWEAKING has been about the suspension. I guess you didn't read that part did ya smart guy?

Also you have to give up one for the other. No two ways about it. Sad that you are still here.

To bad you don't have the intellect to challenge me so I will say this.

YOU GET NOTHING because you have yet to give ANYTHING on this forum that has provided anyone with any value besides "QUOTING" things. Well you are good with that. Read enough magazines and that is all that you can do.

BE GONE.

 

For reference, all of my responses are in bold, while other members previous and old statements are in italics.

- Ok. I'm going to assume this is the question that you've wanted answered so dearly?

"I just read a GT-R put down 475 to the wheels on a dyno in Japan? 475 to the wheels with that CI engine with only 10 pounds of boost? Knowing a few things about restriction and taking their CI V6 and a lot of people are going to be pissed off when their cars don’t meet some of the tainted numbers pushed out. This car should have been called a G35X-R.

Since you’re all knowing, please explain to me why they stated their way about getting the numbers they did? I would love to hear it."

Well first of all, what are you asking and trying to prove? Also, I'd like to see a reference for argument sakes. What you're tyring to argue doesn't make sense. You say a GT-R dynoed 475whp by some shop in Japan, likely not knowing the variables of the dyno calibration, equipment, what gear it was in, fuel used, whether there was a drivetrain loss factored in, and finally and most importantly, what other cars put down on that exact same dyno for reference. Which is the most important thing, since a dyno is REALLY just a tool used for engine tuning, and power comparing. You should know this again. Hell, I know of a few high reading dynopaks just in my area like I mentioned before, one of them reading about 10% more than the normal hp/tq readings for a car on a well calibrated dynojet (where I take my car). You go on to imply that because of such information it should be called a G35X-R for whatever reason, even though Nissan has quoted a 10% drivetrain loss which would put it at around 430awhp, which is in fact what Motortrend achieved on a dynojet. You also say because of the high 475whp reading done by some random shop in Japan, that owners will be upest when they figure out their GT-R doesn't push out some of the same tainted numbers, even though NISSAN only rates the car at 483hp. I really don't understand what you're trying to get at.

 

Sorry if I got your feathers flustered. It's rather plain to see that the only reason I'm not wanted here is because I defend the GT-R in a fair manner. Basically, I'm one of the few on this board and others, who accepts the GT-R's accomplishments, yet doesn't dis Porsche in anyway while doing so. If you want to hate me for that, then fine. Where's my banishment like you been chanting you had the power to do. I rest my case with you clown.

 

Where's my trash can...

 

...just open your mouth,troll

 

doesn't he have more posts than you

 

don't compliment the troll too much,the pages of all those magazines he reads...
...are probably already all stuck together

 

Not to mention, 4 or so of those post were telling me I'm a troll, and that I should basically go *** off. In the same thread might I add. I guess telling me to shut up is one of the few important enough subjects for him to comment on lol.

 

You look like a retard... You actually just tried to argue about you mixing me up with someone else followed by an argument about a current post of mine and trying to reflect it back with all the dated information several days ago. You typed all the above as if I wasn't in the picture and then you say I came out of nowhere with a recent post. You're one funny fanboy!

Here's proof in the pooding that shows you BELIEVED Nissan was guilty of fowl play in regards to the differences between GT-R's currently leaving the production line, and the GT-R that achieved 7:29 at the Ring, which you claim have not to said. Either way I think your just making up excuses. Maybe you forgot this one from a while ago...

How in the **** do you get me saying mods don't mean OEM with your response above (in bold)? Clarity for you which you can't seem to make things out in the context in which they are/were typed... not to mention your post (again, above in bold) just shows your assumptions are manipulated and pushed beyond reason of the OP to make that person look like he has said/typed something totally different than what was actually typed.

And it is evident you can't read and understand what people are implying. I will type this one last time... Hype, and inconsistent numbers have been my argument from the get go!

I'm finished with you, I feel dumb for replying on a lower level each and every time... I am smart enough at this point to know I stop here because even though you have shown ignorance in your posts, if I continue to reply to you, I will be tossed into group problem here which is plain to see; you and a few others are here only to be trolling fanboys.

That said, some people get it and some do not and you fit the later. Good day!