How many of you know about this with the GTR?
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Let me point out a few things we have with Nissan Canada.
These are rules that you will have to follow and if not completely void warranty. I got the same information from 3 different GTR buyer, and only 1 became the owner after all 3 saw what was stated in the contract.
1) no racing (but how do you define racing if you regularly track your GTR? The black box will see track event like racing. So all this hype about it being so fast at the track is pretty uselss)
2) if one tires pop or need to be replace, all other 3 need to be replace as well.
3) must bring the car back to Nissan to do regular service
4) if you buy Nismo japanese parts that is certify to use on your GTR, you will void your warranty
5) Must use OEM tires, and you can't use aftermarket tires otherwise like the above 4, will void warranty.
And there are quite a few more, but these are just some of the BS rules they have in the contract.
For those reasons, the other 2 friend of mine didn't pick up the GTR because we go to track regularly. It wouldn't be worth picking up. One is a Ferrari owner, the other person has always been a porsche owner as well. Both being a much more expensive car than the GTR, they don't impose such strict rules.
The way I see it is that Nissan is not confident in their car's capability here or their reliability. When cars costing so much more don't have such strict rule, and a car like the GTR being so strict, it makes me think the car is not worthwhile.
These are rules that you will have to follow and if not completely void warranty. I got the same information from 3 different GTR buyer, and only 1 became the owner after all 3 saw what was stated in the contract.
1) no racing (but how do you define racing if you regularly track your GTR? The black box will see track event like racing. So all this hype about it being so fast at the track is pretty uselss)
2) if one tires pop or need to be replace, all other 3 need to be replace as well.
3) must bring the car back to Nissan to do regular service
4) if you buy Nismo japanese parts that is certify to use on your GTR, you will void your warranty
5) Must use OEM tires, and you can't use aftermarket tires otherwise like the above 4, will void warranty.
And there are quite a few more, but these are just some of the BS rules they have in the contract.
For those reasons, the other 2 friend of mine didn't pick up the GTR because we go to track regularly. It wouldn't be worth picking up. One is a Ferrari owner, the other person has always been a porsche owner as well. Both being a much more expensive car than the GTR, they don't impose such strict rules.
The way I see it is that Nissan is not confident in their car's capability here or their reliability. When cars costing so much more don't have such strict rule, and a car like the GTR being so strict, it makes me think the car is not worthwhile.
The bottom line is service on cars is always on a case by case basis and the car and situation around any failures evaluated individually. Manuals are there to cover the maker's *** and address things down to the detail, but the reality has a lot more nuance to it and much is contingent on the specifics around the dealer and the circumstances.
It will be awhile before there is much volume of service experience to report on the GT-Rs here, and even then generalizations will be questionable as they are with any car; I've certainly found that service experiences on the same car can vary widely.
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Kinesis:
A lot of what you say below isn't exactly right. In general Nissan has a long list of things that IF YOU HURT THE CAR BECAUSE YOU DO THEM, they might deny a warranty claim. This is very diff than "void warranty" altogether.
As I replied above, they are just being paranoid. No one knows the long-term reliability of some of the high-tech and brand new components of this car. Nor does anyone know what Nissan's attititude will be on denying warranty claims for aggressive driving. It is a risk, for sure, but I would not automatically assume the worst.
Look, I almost had to pay $11K to replace two PCCB rotors after only one year (and about 15 track days) on my TT. FInally Porsche covered it, but it was a close call. Don't expect charity from any car manufacturer, but do expect them to be reasonable and to try to maintain their reputation.
-Chris
A lot of what you say below isn't exactly right. In general Nissan has a long list of things that IF YOU HURT THE CAR BECAUSE YOU DO THEM, they might deny a warranty claim. This is very diff than "void warranty" altogether.
As I replied above, they are just being paranoid. No one knows the long-term reliability of some of the high-tech and brand new components of this car. Nor does anyone know what Nissan's attititude will be on denying warranty claims for aggressive driving. It is a risk, for sure, but I would not automatically assume the worst.
Look, I almost had to pay $11K to replace two PCCB rotors after only one year (and about 15 track days) on my TT. FInally Porsche covered it, but it was a close call. Don't expect charity from any car manufacturer, but do expect them to be reasonable and to try to maintain their reputation.
-Chris
Let me point out a few things we have with Nissan Canada.
These are rules that you will have to follow and if not completely void warranty. I got the same information from 3 different GTR buyer, and only 1 became the owner after all 3 saw what was stated in the contract.
1) no racing (but how do you define racing if you regularly track your GTR? The black box will see track event like racing. So all this hype about it being so fast at the track is pretty uselss)
2) if one tires pop or need to be replace, all other 3 need to be replace as well.
3) must bring the car back to Nissan to do regular service
4) if you buy Nismo japanese parts that is certify to use on your GTR, you will void your warranty
5) Must use OEM tires, and you can't use aftermarket tires otherwise like the above 4, will void warranty.
And there are quite a few more, but these are just some of the BS rules they have in the contract.
For those reasons, the other 2 friend of mine didn't pick up the GTR because we go to track regularly. It wouldn't be worth picking up. One is a Ferrari owner, the other person has always been a porsche owner as well. Both being a much more expensive car than the GTR, they don't impose such strict rules.
The way I see it is that Nissan is not confident in their car's capability here or their reliability. When cars costing so much more don't have such strict rule, and a car like the GTR being so strict, it makes me think the car is not worthwhile.
These are rules that you will have to follow and if not completely void warranty. I got the same information from 3 different GTR buyer, and only 1 became the owner after all 3 saw what was stated in the contract.
1) no racing (but how do you define racing if you regularly track your GTR? The black box will see track event like racing. So all this hype about it being so fast at the track is pretty uselss)
2) if one tires pop or need to be replace, all other 3 need to be replace as well.
3) must bring the car back to Nissan to do regular service
4) if you buy Nismo japanese parts that is certify to use on your GTR, you will void your warranty
5) Must use OEM tires, and you can't use aftermarket tires otherwise like the above 4, will void warranty.
And there are quite a few more, but these are just some of the BS rules they have in the contract.
For those reasons, the other 2 friend of mine didn't pick up the GTR because we go to track regularly. It wouldn't be worth picking up. One is a Ferrari owner, the other person has always been a porsche owner as well. Both being a much more expensive car than the GTR, they don't impose such strict rules.
The way I see it is that Nissan is not confident in their car's capability here or their reliability. When cars costing so much more don't have such strict rule, and a car like the GTR being so strict, it makes me think the car is not worthwhile.
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Hmm..
Interesting facts about the warranty and I'm sure any serious/intelligent buyer would discuss the waranty in depth further with the dealer. Ultimately it sounds like more p-car fanboys trying to discredit the gt-r's success.
Interesting facts about the warranty and I'm sure any serious/intelligent buyer would discuss the waranty in depth further with the dealer. Ultimately it sounds like more p-car fanboys trying to discredit the gt-r's success.
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Let me point out a few things we have with Nissan Canada.
These are rules that you will have to follow and if not completely void warranty. I got the same information from 3 different GTR buyer, and only 1 became the owner after all 3 saw what was stated in the contract.
1) no racing (but how do you define racing if you regularly track your GTR? The black box will see track event like racing. So all this hype about it being so fast at the track is pretty uselss)
2) if one tires pop or need to be replace, all other 3 need to be replace as well.
3) must bring the car back to Nissan to do regular service
4) if you buy Nismo japanese parts that is certify to use on your GTR, you will void your warranty
5) Must use OEM tires, and you can't use aftermarket tires otherwise like the above 4, will void warranty.
And there are quite a few more, but these are just some of the BS rules they have in the contract.
For those reasons, the other 2 friend of mine didn't pick up the GTR because we go to track regularly. It wouldn't be worth picking up. One is a Ferrari owner, the other person has always been a porsche owner as well. Both being a much more expensive car than the GTR, they don't impose such strict rules.
The way I see it is that Nissan is not confident in their car's capability here or their reliability. When cars costing so much more don't have such strict rule, and a car like the GTR being so strict, it makes me think the car is not worthwhile.
These are rules that you will have to follow and if not completely void warranty. I got the same information from 3 different GTR buyer, and only 1 became the owner after all 3 saw what was stated in the contract.
1) no racing (but how do you define racing if you regularly track your GTR? The black box will see track event like racing. So all this hype about it being so fast at the track is pretty uselss)
2) if one tires pop or need to be replace, all other 3 need to be replace as well.
3) must bring the car back to Nissan to do regular service
4) if you buy Nismo japanese parts that is certify to use on your GTR, you will void your warranty
5) Must use OEM tires, and you can't use aftermarket tires otherwise like the above 4, will void warranty.
And there are quite a few more, but these are just some of the BS rules they have in the contract.
For those reasons, the other 2 friend of mine didn't pick up the GTR because we go to track regularly. It wouldn't be worth picking up. One is a Ferrari owner, the other person has always been a porsche owner as well. Both being a much more expensive car than the GTR, they don't impose such strict rules.
The way I see it is that Nissan is not confident in their car's capability here or their reliability. When cars costing so much more don't have such strict rule, and a car like the GTR being so strict, it makes me think the car is not worthwhile.
sounds pretty retarded but then again I bet fiscally Nissan would love to wash its hands of any warranty problems a car like this would have.
GTR owner: "My diff exploded"
Service writer: "did you go over 60mph?"
Owner: "Ya"
Writer: "Oops guess someone didn't read their warranty booklet"
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one owner on the GTR forums has tracked a couple of weekends and has now faced a hefty service tab. The car is quite heavy and the fluids need to be changed for fear of tranny/diff failure, which is not a $19 job. There costs seem to be more "Ferrari" than "Nissan"
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Kinesis:
A lot of what you say below isn't exactly right. In general Nissan has a long list of things that IF YOU HURT THE CAR BECAUSE YOU DO THEM, they might deny a warranty claim. This is very diff than "void warranty" altogether.
As I replied above, they are just being paranoid. No one knows the long-term reliability of some of the high-tech and brand new components of this car. Nor does anyone know what Nissan's attititude will be on denying warranty claims for aggressive driving. It is a risk, for sure, but I would not automatically assume the worst.
Look, I almost had to pay $11K to replace two PCCB rotors after only one year (and about 15 track days) on my TT. FInally Porsche covered it, but it was a close call. Don't expect charity from any car manufacturer, but do expect them to be reasonable and to try to maintain their reputation.
-Chris
A lot of what you say below isn't exactly right. In general Nissan has a long list of things that IF YOU HURT THE CAR BECAUSE YOU DO THEM, they might deny a warranty claim. This is very diff than "void warranty" altogether.
As I replied above, they are just being paranoid. No one knows the long-term reliability of some of the high-tech and brand new components of this car. Nor does anyone know what Nissan's attititude will be on denying warranty claims for aggressive driving. It is a risk, for sure, but I would not automatically assume the worst.
Look, I almost had to pay $11K to replace two PCCB rotors after only one year (and about 15 track days) on my TT. FInally Porsche covered it, but it was a close call. Don't expect charity from any car manufacturer, but do expect them to be reasonable and to try to maintain their reputation.
-Chris
The contract was presented in front of them, and they told me everything in it.
The fact of the matter is, you can't deny that this Nissan impose rules that shouldn't be there. Cars costing so much more don't impose rules like those. It was stated that warranty will be void if you DON'T follow the rules.
Anyways, i am not here to argue. The GTR is one hack of a car. But i don't think the car is worth getting if they have all those rules there. What is the point?
Plus, even if you drive fast in the GTR on the track it isn't YOUR true skills. It is the car that make you drive fast. Not your skill. On the other hand to drive a car like GT3 or even a Z06, it is your skills that makes you fast.
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you've never turned a wheel on race track, or even a go-kart track have you? that statement is completely absurd.
Plus, even if you drive fast in the GTR on the track it isn't YOUR true skills. It is the car that make you drive fast. Not your skill. On the other hand to drive a car like GT3 or even a Z06, it is your skills that makes you fast.[/quote]
Plus, even if you drive fast in the GTR on the track it isn't YOUR true skills. It is the car that make you drive fast. Not your skill. On the other hand to drive a car like GT3 or even a Z06, it is your skills that makes you fast.[/quote]
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you've never turned a wheel on race track, or even a go-kart track have you? that statement is completely absurd.
Plus, even if you drive fast in the GTR on the track it isn't YOUR true skills. It is the car that make you drive fast. Not your skill. On the other hand to drive a car like GT3 or even a Z06, it is your skills that makes you fast.
Plus, even if you drive fast in the GTR on the track it isn't YOUR true skills. It is the car that make you drive fast. Not your skill. On the other hand to drive a car like GT3 or even a Z06, it is your skills that makes you fast.
I am not sure weather you know what you are talking about.
The GTR with so much electronic control will not reflect your true skills to tame the car. That is all i have to say and do not want to start an internet war.
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Have you driven the GT-R? Just asking.
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You know, I have never had any formal high performance driving instruction so perhaps I don't know what the hell I am talking about, but I have been a car nut for over 40 years, I am fairly intelligent having earned a Ph.D. in my field, and I have stayed in a Holiday Inn several times, and I can tell you the hype surrounding the GTR is just the most ridiculous thing I have encountered in a long time when it comes to cars. Something sure smells fishy and it sure sounds like this $70,000 Wundercar might quickly turn into a very expensive $100,000 plus pain in the wazoo shortly after purchasing it. It is not necessary to have driven the car a few times to figure this out. Only time will tell. I would certainly be a little worried about spending my hard earned money on this car after hearing what Kenisis 996 has to say.
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After being 2-3 yrs of club instructor at local car club, PCA club, and test driver for Kumho tires once, i am pretty sure i know exactly what i am talking about.
I am not sure weather you know what you are talking about.
The GTR with so much electronic control will not reflect your true skills to tame the car. That is all i have to say and do not want to start an internet war.
I am not sure weather you know what you are talking about.
The GTR with so much electronic control will not reflect your true skills to tame the car. That is all i have to say and do not want to start an internet war.
This is a big, free-market economy. If the GT-R turns into a real PITA to own, or a maintenance hog, the market will respond accordingly. Nissan will then have to rethink their "attitude".
Market competition is a truly wonderful thing.
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The Nissan seems like a lot of car for the money. We can't all afford F430s and GT3s. It also sounds like a fun car to drive for those with modest skills.
This is a big, free-market economy. If the GT-R turns into a real PITA to own, or a maintenance hog, the market will respond accordingly. Nissan will then have to rethink their "attitude".
Market competition is a truly wonderful thing.
This is a big, free-market economy. If the GT-R turns into a real PITA to own, or a maintenance hog, the market will respond accordingly. Nissan will then have to rethink their "attitude".
Market competition is a truly wonderful thing.
Truer words have not been spoken.
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