turbo forgivness?
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Step past the invective here and see the underlying concern. You're too young to drive a car like this. Too young in a couple of senses, and I'm not trying to sound like the old guy shaking his cane at the youngsters here:
1) The parts of your brain responsible for long-term planning and decision-making are not developed yet. I mean, physically, they're not there. Mixing a cognitive state that would only occur in a 35-year old after some kind of traumatic head injury with a high-end sports car is a recipe for disaster. You won't think it could be you, but it could.
2) Driving a car with the performance envelope of a GT3 or Turbo will fool you into thinking you're a better driver than you are. If you want to become a genuinely good driver, get a lower horsepower rear-wheel drive car, and get into track events. If I could have done this at 18, I would have built a lifetime's reserve of skill, that would serve me well when I stepped up to higher performance cars.
By the way, I'm about 99% sure what happened is that you downshifted without rev-matching while you had some steering angle going on, momentarily locked up the rear tires, and that's what caused the spin. Any car will get ticked off at you, a GT3 more than most, but any rear-engined car will be slow to forgive something like that. That said, to throw it into a wall, you were probably not pottering around at 25mph...
We've seen a lot of kids getting hurt driving cars they had no business being in, regardless of their financial situation. Seriously, we get smarter as we get older. We don't turn into doddery old farts until some time in our 60s, or later.
1) The parts of your brain responsible for long-term planning and decision-making are not developed yet. I mean, physically, they're not there. Mixing a cognitive state that would only occur in a 35-year old after some kind of traumatic head injury with a high-end sports car is a recipe for disaster. You won't think it could be you, but it could.
2) Driving a car with the performance envelope of a GT3 or Turbo will fool you into thinking you're a better driver than you are. If you want to become a genuinely good driver, get a lower horsepower rear-wheel drive car, and get into track events. If I could have done this at 18, I would have built a lifetime's reserve of skill, that would serve me well when I stepped up to higher performance cars.
By the way, I'm about 99% sure what happened is that you downshifted without rev-matching while you had some steering angle going on, momentarily locked up the rear tires, and that's what caused the spin. Any car will get ticked off at you, a GT3 more than most, but any rear-engined car will be slow to forgive something like that. That said, to throw it into a wall, you were probably not pottering around at 25mph...
We've seen a lot of kids getting hurt driving cars they had no business being in, regardless of their financial situation. Seriously, we get smarter as we get older. We don't turn into doddery old farts until some time in our 60s, or later.
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Step past the invective here and see the underlying concern. You're too young to drive a car like this. Too young in a couple of senses, and I'm not trying to sound like the old guy shaking his cane at the youngsters here:
1) The parts of your brain responsible for long-term planning and decision-making are not developed yet. I mean, physically, they're not there. Mixing a cognitive state that would only occur in a 35-year old after some kind of traumatic head injury with a high-end sports car is a recipe for disaster. You won't think it could be you, but it could.
2) Driving a car with the performance envelope of a GT3 or Turbo will fool you into thinking you're a better driver than you are. If you want to become a genuinely good driver, get a lower horsepower rear-wheel drive car, and get into track events. If I could have done this at 18, I would have built a lifetime's reserve of skill, that would serve me well when I stepped up to higher performance cars.
By the way, I'm about 99% sure what happened is that you downshifted without rev-matching while you had some steering angle going on, momentarily locked up the rear tires, and that's what caused the spin. Any car will get ticked off at you, a GT3 more than most, but any rear-engined car will be slow to forgive something like that. That said, to throw it into a wall, you were probably not pottering around at 25mph...
We've seen a lot of kids getting hurt driving cars they had no business being in, regardless of their financial situation. Seriously, we get smarter as we get older. We don't turn into doddery old farts until some time in our 60s, or later.
1) The parts of your brain responsible for long-term planning and decision-making are not developed yet. I mean, physically, they're not there. Mixing a cognitive state that would only occur in a 35-year old after some kind of traumatic head injury with a high-end sports car is a recipe for disaster. You won't think it could be you, but it could.
2) Driving a car with the performance envelope of a GT3 or Turbo will fool you into thinking you're a better driver than you are. If you want to become a genuinely good driver, get a lower horsepower rear-wheel drive car, and get into track events. If I could have done this at 18, I would have built a lifetime's reserve of skill, that would serve me well when I stepped up to higher performance cars.
By the way, I'm about 99% sure what happened is that you downshifted without rev-matching while you had some steering angle going on, momentarily locked up the rear tires, and that's what caused the spin. Any car will get ticked off at you, a GT3 more than most, but any rear-engined car will be slow to forgive something like that. That said, to throw it into a wall, you were probably not pottering around at 25mph...
We've seen a lot of kids getting hurt driving cars they had no business being in, regardless of their financial situation. Seriously, we get smarter as we get older. We don't turn into doddery old farts until some time in our 60s, or later.
Brilliant!!
Step past the invective here and see the underlying concern. You're too young to drive a car like this. Too young in a couple of senses, and I'm not trying to sound like the old guy shaking his cane at the youngsters here:
1) The parts of your brain responsible for long-term planning and decision-making are not developed yet. I mean, physically, they're not there. Mixing a cognitive state that would only occur in a 35-year old after some kind of traumatic head injury with a high-end sports car is a recipe for disaster. You won't think it could be you, but it could.
2) Driving a car with the performance envelope of a GT3 or Turbo will fool you into thinking you're a better driver than you are. If you want to become a genuinely good driver, get a lower horsepower rear-wheel drive car, and get into track events. If I could have done this at 18, I would have built a lifetime's reserve of skill, that would serve me well when I stepped up to higher performance cars.
By the way, I'm about 99% sure what happened is that you downshifted without rev-matching while you had some steering angle going on, momentarily locked up the rear tires, and that's what caused the spin. Any car will get ticked off at you, a GT3 more than most, but any rear-engined car will be slow to forgive something like that. That said, to throw it into a wall, you were probably not pottering around at 25mph...
We've seen a lot of kids getting hurt driving cars they had no business being in, regardless of their financial situation. Seriously, we get smarter as we get older. We don't turn into doddery old farts until some time in our 60s, or later.
1) The parts of your brain responsible for long-term planning and decision-making are not developed yet. I mean, physically, they're not there. Mixing a cognitive state that would only occur in a 35-year old after some kind of traumatic head injury with a high-end sports car is a recipe for disaster. You won't think it could be you, but it could.
2) Driving a car with the performance envelope of a GT3 or Turbo will fool you into thinking you're a better driver than you are. If you want to become a genuinely good driver, get a lower horsepower rear-wheel drive car, and get into track events. If I could have done this at 18, I would have built a lifetime's reserve of skill, that would serve me well when I stepped up to higher performance cars.
By the way, I'm about 99% sure what happened is that you downshifted without rev-matching while you had some steering angle going on, momentarily locked up the rear tires, and that's what caused the spin. Any car will get ticked off at you, a GT3 more than most, but any rear-engined car will be slow to forgive something like that. That said, to throw it into a wall, you were probably not pottering around at 25mph...
We've seen a lot of kids getting hurt driving cars they had no business being in, regardless of their financial situation. Seriously, we get smarter as we get older. We don't turn into doddery old farts until some time in our 60s, or later.
Holy hell dude, it's not a matter of tail happiness, its a matter of driving skill!!! If you lose control of a turbo (or any other car), you're going to hurt you, your instructor and anyone else unlucky enough to be around you. Seriously, and I mean this in the most sincere constructive way, get yourself a beater, thrash it while learning to drive, then graduate to faster cars.
Not the perfect example but.... a few of us more experienced drivers were lapped by a pro (Peter Cunningham/Real Time Racing) The ****ty thing, is he was driving a rental! We had 3x the power and much better cars, he had 3x the skill....see where I'm going with this?
Not the perfect example but.... a few of us more experienced drivers were lapped by a pro (Peter Cunningham/Real Time Racing) The ****ty thing, is he was driving a rental! We had 3x the power and much better cars, he had 3x the skill....see where I'm going with this?
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. Good for you then…
If you want to rent a Ford Taurus, that's right. But if you want to rent a GT3, the rules are a little different, I guess...
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did you look on the page before?theres a pic of the car. im not a ******** trying to waste peoples time. i dont think its funny ****ing up a 120K car.
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Why did you even try driving a GT3 if you can barely drive stick? That was completely irresponsible of you and clearly you still haven't learned a lesson because now you're asking if turbo is easier to drive. All cars with a lot of power are potentially dangerous, especially rear-engined 911's and you clearly are not ready to handle a car of this caliber. I don't understand why your father would even let you drive the GT3 knowing you can't even drive stick! Are you sure you didn't take it without permission? Your claim of only going 70mph is probably bull**** too, you were probably going 100mph+ to lose control that bad!
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What people are trying to tell you is that -- the faster you go -- the less time you will have to catch mistakes you make while driving. the less experience you have -- the more careful you should be. You need to have a healthier fear of death.
In the GT3 you experienced "lift throttle oversteer" --- if you were driving a slower less powerful car -- you might have been able to avoid the crash.
The GT3 is a pinnacle sports car -- the best of the best. It will bite you if you don't know what you are doing. Any fast car will -- the faster -- the more quickly you can get into big trouble.....
Watch this:
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_t...&area=features
and learn about lift throttle oversteer.
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To the OP and anyone with kids approaching driving age should watch this series of public service announcements. don't know why they don't do stuff like this in this country.
Warning - Most of it is pretty tough to watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxjocYbbdsk
Warning - Most of it is pretty tough to watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxjocYbbdsk
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Where were you guys when I was 16 yo looking to rent a Countach.
Hey everyone -- sorry to jump in here as a first post but someone sent me a link to this thread.
Story is not BS -- obviously we didn't know that an 18-year-old would be driving the vehicle (and we still don't know for a fact that he was driving) -- the vehicle was indeed rented to his dad, who either knowingly gave it to his kid or unknowingly had his kid take it -- those details are between the guy, his son, and the insurance company.
But what I can tell everyone is
A) You can rent a GT3 from us (Gotham Dream Cars) -- obviously not this one since it will be totaled out, but we'll be buying a replacement as soon as this matter is settled. It's an amazing car to drive:
http://www.gothamdreamcars.com/new-y...che-rental.htm
B) The car is definitely not in a happy place (frame is bent). Sad to see such a fun car take such a nasty spill, but such is life in this business. As was said, we're just glad nobody was hurt or killed. Photo below of the bent metal.
Best,
--Noah
Story is not BS -- obviously we didn't know that an 18-year-old would be driving the vehicle (and we still don't know for a fact that he was driving) -- the vehicle was indeed rented to his dad, who either knowingly gave it to his kid or unknowingly had his kid take it -- those details are between the guy, his son, and the insurance company.
But what I can tell everyone is
A) You can rent a GT3 from us (Gotham Dream Cars) -- obviously not this one since it will be totaled out, but we'll be buying a replacement as soon as this matter is settled. It's an amazing car to drive:
http://www.gothamdreamcars.com/new-y...che-rental.htm
B) The car is definitely not in a happy place (frame is bent). Sad to see such a fun car take such a nasty spill, but such is life in this business. As was said, we're just glad nobody was hurt or killed. Photo below of the bent metal.
Best,
--Noah
