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Old Nov 21, 2008 | 03:31 PM
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GT2= 7:49
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Wow! I'm way off, but more importantly, 7 seconds seems astronomical even for a long track. BTW, didn't the 997tt do 7:40 by Horst?
 
Old Nov 21, 2008 | 03:40 PM
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No, the TT did a 7:54 by Horst.


This is turning to the R32 all over again. We now have 6 or so guys that havent gotten within 16 seconds of Nissan's time.


Maybe Nissan can teach all of them how to drive.
 
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Originally Posted by jaeS4
GT2= 7:49
GTR= 7:56


Wow! I'm way off, but more importantly, 7 seconds seems astronomical even for a long track. BTW, didn't the 997tt do 7:40 by Horst?

No doubt about it, GT2 > GT-R

BTW, I think Porsche quotes 997TT as 4-5 secs faster than GT2 around Ring
 

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Old Nov 21, 2008 | 04:28 PM
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I am shocked that a rear wheel drive gt2 actually beat an awd car on a wet track. Just as much as I would have thought that even the 997 turbo wold have had a better chance against the GT2 in the wet. maybe not
 
Old Nov 21, 2008 | 07:25 PM
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Looking at the Video, the track wasnt all that wet. It was damp in a few spots and wet in a few others, but dry track for the majority. The damp parts kept it from being 10 seconds difference.
 
Old Nov 21, 2008 | 07:35 PM
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The temperature certainly wasn't favoring the GT2 either, as it would likely benefit more from warm tires. Figure a few more seconds of difference in the dry, a few more in the warm, perhaps. The driver did offer that he thought he did a better job of driving the GT-R.

And the huge speed difference on the straight is, as was mentioned above, very telling. 7:29 car had alot of horsies under the hood.

And I guess this is basically the end of the longest thread ever, and the one that led me too 6 speed. lol. I've read this like every day for a while, I'll miss it when its gone.
 
Old Nov 21, 2008 | 08:25 PM
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But is it the end? There are still more questions to be answered, such as relaibility issues. For example, if they ran the cars at the same time for one hour, two, five, even 24 hours what would we see? I suspect the longer we ran them, the clearer we would see why one cost twice as much as the other.
 
Old Nov 21, 2008 | 08:40 PM
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No, not the end, the fanboys will be back.
 
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But this is pretty damning evidencne. The ZR1 should be able to pull a fair bit on a GT2 on a big straightaway, and the GT2 pulled enormously on the GT-R, but the GT-R hung with the ZR1. More power in the 7:29 GT-R.

So I honestly don't think the argument will ever have the same energy as it did before.
 
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So let me get this straight, Porsche tests the GTR and got 7:54 and driver Republic tests the GTR on a damp track and with the slower Bridgestones and got 7:55. Nissan was right - Porsche really needs driving lessons for the GTR.
 

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Well ///M Kevin, apparently there's a recall on BMW's with dual clutch transmissions and its due to problems with the transmission that BMW can't seem to fix right. So much for the ///M badge eh?
 

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So let me get this straight, Porsche tests the GTR and got 7:54 and driver Republic tests the GTR on a damp track and with the slower Bridgestones and got 7:55. Nissan was right - Porsche really needs driving lessons for the GTR.
So let me get this straight, Nissan tests the GTR and got a 7:29.........the rest of the world gets 7:50's. I and heavychevy was right - Nissan should really ease up on their exaggerations.
 
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Well ///M Kevin, apparently there's a recall on BMW's with dual clutch transmissions and its due to problems with the transmission that BMW can't seem to fix right. So much for the ///M badge eh?
Do you pretend to be ill informed or are you born that way? It is a software upgrade for rapid deceleration in which the tranny can stall. It tried to rev match but it wasn't doing it properly. At least it is not not breaking at acceleration!

Let's see software upgrade which would only happen to some people for BMW with DCT and a complete recall ON ALL JAPANESE GTR oil pumps which would effect the entire motor!! Hmm which one is worse? A stalling of your engine or the blowing up of one?

I am amazed that you even had enough brains to register let alone type.
 
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Well ///M Kevin, apparently there's a recall on BMW's with dual clutch transmissions and its due to problems with the transmission that BMW can't seem to fix right. So much for the ///M badge eh?

This is undoubtedly Z07, I've been studying his posts. He isnt bright enough to hide it very well for long, and the stupid screen names always give him away.


Anyways, BMW had a recall because the car had some sort of rapid downshift on decel, the tranny's werent failing like the ones in Japan that caused the recall due to oiling issues.


Not even in the same ballpark. But you're Z07, I dont expect better of you.
 


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