Well what did you expect? For Nissan to come clean?

 

More than fine tune, my friend. I need to lead-follow with you. Amazing times. I think your 996TT is a ringer. ;-)

Would love to let you take it out for a session and see what you can do.

 

You're insulting the fanboys with a PS3 and GT5

 

i'm late to this party but i saw where you said in the first entry that horst von saurma didn't believe the 7'38' time for the gt-r. can you refer me to the article where he said that.

 

Unless Porsche can prove their claim of 7:54 and comes out with some video and any actual recorded document of their "test", then their claim is bogus as well. At least Nissan has a video to prove it, the only questionable part is Nissan's HP rating, which is probably the only explanation how the GTR was able to accomplish 7:29. I think it's safe to say that it's not 485hp but more than likely about 540hp

 

Its still phenomenal to beat other 3000 lbs cars with 600+hp car @ 7:29, it just shows how well balanced it is.

 

I am a fan of both cars and the engineering that has been placed into both of these monsters, however, that being said.... I realize that there are a lot of variables to consider in these ring times that were posted for the GTR, but something just does not add up. I am not saying that these cars were ringers, however, they may have been, however, it is also very likely that Nissan is understating the horsepower that this thing is putting out. Some will say it is due to the "magical" low-friction bearings that Nissan used to limit drivetrain losses, thus generating up to 90% of the engine's power to the road. Hmmm.... that maybe so, however, I have spent a little time doing a patent search for these bearings and have not found anything regarding them. I am not saying they don't exist, for I am no patent attorney or agent that has access to all the files concerning previous inventions, but I would just like to see the design and composition of these improved bearings to reduce friction. Were they plasma coated or a new design? What's the deal?

I am more inclined to believe that nissan just underrated the car due to customer fear of GR 6 transmission failure, if the power levels would be stated too close to the transmission's limits of functionality and preservation, there would be too much fear in commitment to a destined to failure piece of equipment. However, in order to strengthen the internals they would have had to use denser... forged materials, which would defeat the purpose of the extra power, creating more mass to rotate, generating more driveline loss and extra overall weight for the vehicle. My thought on the matter is that the 7:38 is probably legit.... the 7:29 quite a stretch. I am really into engineering and physics and something just seems a little off on these stated times.... however, as I previously mentioned there are a lot of variables to consider, it is just that those variables seem to still fall into the category of this vehicle is most likely either juiced up a little, or the power statements are grossly underrated.

Some believe this understatement is due to insurance, I feel as though the underwriters at insurance companies are most likely more concerned with performance capabilites and cost of parts to replace than they are with stated horsepower figures. If someone has access to the schematics of these low-friction bearings that Nissan has eluded to I would love to see them... I am quite intrigued. But like I said, the 7:29 at the claimed power, even claimed to the wheels does seem to be a bit of a stretch, even with all the aero, and chassis technology that has been employed in this machine.

Either way both the 911 and GTR are great cars, we should all just appreciate them both for what they were intended for and capable of, even if we are not sure exactly what their true capabilities are

 

 

no, it just shows how much they are willing to cheat or lie..

I'm going to start selling swamp land...

I have never had a problem with the GTR, in fact I saw onew this week at the track and I liked it, even though it is big. I just do not like the false advertising campaign that nissan is doing with the car

 

No

 

ROTFLMAO

 

+1, Id take my 997tt over a nissan anyday, anytime, anywhere.


This just supports the saying: You get what you pay for

 

I have to say it is ironic that your TT is listed for sale under your post...

 

The only thing that they might have cheated and lied about is the 485hp the engine is supposed to be making. Actually, we're almost sure that it is not only making 485hp, more like 540hp minimum.

 

So wait is there any magazine, or documented head to head test where the 997 Turbo has shown to be faster then the GTR on a track????

Id like to porsche Fanboys to answer that question.

Hammad