Porsche turbo in 2010
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I would be surprised if the PDK is beefed up enough to handle the torque that early. Im sure it will happen but 2010 is rather soon for a company not exactly speedy in its updates.
But a turbo w/ PDK is going to be a monster so long as that new engine delivers the goods anyways.
But a turbo w/ PDK is going to be a monster so long as that new engine delivers the goods anyways.
They've been working on the PDK in the TT since they started on the 997, it isnt early. It's been years they've been working the bugs out.
And I'm positive if they can get it to work in the Panamera, all the way up to 500 hp and more weight, the lighter Turbo will be able to handle the PDK as well though it will have more torque, it will be lighter.
The engine block will offset the price of the PDK and the car will not go up in MSRP (at least not substantially).
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Perspective from a seasoned finance guy :
- they will never drop the base price of a turbo. If they did, there will be pricing issues for the entire portfolio;
- the current economic conditions are not here to last. Temporary issues are best addressed with discounts and rebates, not price decreases;
- the cheaper production cost for the engine will flow straight to the bottom line, resulting in a better gross margin for the company.
- since Porsche is quoted on the German stock market, they will also get some wind fall from the strenghtening dollar (results in more Euros during financial consolidation), since half of their sales are US based.
Voila !
- they will never drop the base price of a turbo. If they did, there will be pricing issues for the entire portfolio;
- the current economic conditions are not here to last. Temporary issues are best addressed with discounts and rebates, not price decreases;
- the cheaper production cost for the engine will flow straight to the bottom line, resulting in a better gross margin for the company.
- since Porsche is quoted on the German stock market, they will also get some wind fall from the strenghtening dollar (results in more Euros during financial consolidation), since half of their sales are US based.
Voila !
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Perspective from a seasoned finance guy :
- they will never drop the base price of a turbo. If they did, there will be pricing issues for the entire portfolio;
- the current economic conditions are not here to last. Temporary issues are best addressed with discounts and rebates, not price decreases;
- the cheaper production cost for the engine will flow straight to the bottom line, resulting in a better gross margin for the company.
- since Porsche is quoted on the German stock market, they will also get some wind fall from the strenghtening dollar (results in more Euros during financial consolidation), since half of their sales are US based.
Voila !
- they will never drop the base price of a turbo. If they did, there will be pricing issues for the entire portfolio;
- the current economic conditions are not here to last. Temporary issues are best addressed with discounts and rebates, not price decreases;
- the cheaper production cost for the engine will flow straight to the bottom line, resulting in a better gross margin for the company.
- since Porsche is quoted on the German stock market, they will also get some wind fall from the strenghtening dollar (results in more Euros during financial consolidation), since half of their sales are US based.
Voila !
Cheaper engine = more money for Porsche because American Joe Blow will still shell out big $$ for the new turbo, even if it uses some thing called an "integrated dry sump" system.
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A junior finance guy would like to add:
Porsche's hedging against the weak dollar made them a pretty penny over the last years, so I am uncertain a strong dollar would have the expected benefits. Assuming Porsche still holds such positions, which is likely given expectations and their fortunate history.
Porsche's hedging against the weak dollar made them a pretty penny over the last years, so I am uncertain a strong dollar would have the expected benefits. Assuming Porsche still holds such positions, which is likely given expectations and their fortunate history.
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Every time a new turbo comes out it is hated and torn to pieces by the Pcar community until it comes out, then every one secretly buys one and states how much they love the car. If you are a Turbo owner and drive an automatic it is safe to say the PDK is your dream tranny, its just amazing. I would never own an auto, I don't care how good it is. I find it hard to believe that Porsche would be a a junker out and we all know they are watching this economy and will time the new release to make sure these new motors aren't sitting at dealers. Is it possible a 2010 Turbo will not be in production? A betting man would say yep. Porsche has no reason to sell a new Turbo at a discount when they can sit the year out and pump production back up to where it should be.
My dealers allocation for 09 Turbo's was 4 cars, they are number 6 in the country for Porsche sales. Its a sign of the times, but all 4 were pre-sold and have been delivered. They are the lucky dealership in this market, many of their competitors are not so fortunate and have 08's and 09's in stock along with new cars coming all the way through March. If the inventory sells and allows the dealer to maintain margins the new cars will continue to come, if not we will see a boat load of Boxsters
My dealers allocation for 09 Turbo's was 4 cars, they are number 6 in the country for Porsche sales. Its a sign of the times, but all 4 were pre-sold and have been delivered. They are the lucky dealership in this market, many of their competitors are not so fortunate and have 08's and 09's in stock along with new cars coming all the way through March. If the inventory sells and allows the dealer to maintain margins the new cars will continue to come, if not we will see a boat load of Boxsters
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