GT2 vs FGT
Excellent review (the first one). I read it a while back while on the GT forum. To be fair, I own a 'down-market' P-car (a 997S Cab). So I can't comment on all aspects but:
I have a sense that the brakes are more even between the two - steel versus carbon or not. The big advantage the Porsche has in stopping is less the brakes and more the weight distribution. It can get proportionately more bite out of the rear wheels because of the engine location. Though the mid-engine of the Ford is excellent, for pure stopping (different from braking), basic physics helps the Porsche. But I have never ever noticed any fade or change of pedal feel with the Ford.
The other issue, not covered at all, is much more difficult to characterize. Of all the cars I've ever driven (F430, Lambo, Z06) the Ford is the only car that can best be described as 'mass-less'. Most of the time, it does feel like a bigger car, with less visibility, and the need to grunt when changing speeds. But true to it's race car design center, once the engine is in it's power band, the car shrinks to a small wrapper around the driver, and loses any sense of mass. Going 70 and want to be doing 110? Done. 100 in second? No problem. There is no sense of weight, mass, inertia, acceleration. It's a rocket. Just light it up with your right foot, and you're instantly moving. Nothing like it. Something that has to be experienced to be appreciated. But also something that always has to be treated with great respect. With no electronic nannies to catch your mistakes, you are fully and frighteningly in charge.
I have a sense that the brakes are more even between the two - steel versus carbon or not. The big advantage the Porsche has in stopping is less the brakes and more the weight distribution. It can get proportionately more bite out of the rear wheels because of the engine location. Though the mid-engine of the Ford is excellent, for pure stopping (different from braking), basic physics helps the Porsche. But I have never ever noticed any fade or change of pedal feel with the Ford.
The other issue, not covered at all, is much more difficult to characterize. Of all the cars I've ever driven (F430, Lambo, Z06) the Ford is the only car that can best be described as 'mass-less'. Most of the time, it does feel like a bigger car, with less visibility, and the need to grunt when changing speeds. But true to it's race car design center, once the engine is in it's power band, the car shrinks to a small wrapper around the driver, and loses any sense of mass. Going 70 and want to be doing 110? Done. 100 in second? No problem. There is no sense of weight, mass, inertia, acceleration. It's a rocket. Just light it up with your right foot, and you're instantly moving. Nothing like it. Something that has to be experienced to be appreciated. But also something that always has to be treated with great respect. With no electronic nannies to catch your mistakes, you are fully and frighteningly in charge.
Last edited by Verde; Sep 4, 2009 at 10:02 PM.
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I own one and it is fabulous - wouldn't consider trading it fro anything else - except maybe an Enzo!!!
Yeap..even with more in next event...Ford GT lost to us in 1/4 final...1 race we won, 2nd he, 3rd we ))) and in final we beat another mod 997 TT...but rolling start we have no chance agaist this monster...
Looks like the FGT has a larger than stock displacement Whipple Supercharger on the car so depending on the pulley and gas used, it could put out 1000HP realiably with the stock bottom end. I have a similar setup on my car which costed less than $13K w/ exhaust. Along with Moton Motorsport shocks, the car handles better than my other 6GT3, Challenge Stradale, and 997TT but not quite as sharp as my Lotus on Ohlins. If you have not driven a properly sorted (like a 997TT, it is only so so w/o the mods) FGT, you owe it to yourself to find out if you are a true car guy.
As for the shocks, yes, I think this car (and I'm on stock shocks - but it's been lowered with a bit more camber) and the Lotus are quite akin. The Ford feels a lot heavier than my Lotus, but then again, it IS a lot heavier. But on the track, with all that power to command, it 'feels' light and it 'feels' right. Kind of like my Lotus but with a LOT more jam. And truth be told, around town, the Lotus steering and shifter are quite heavy too, both getting much much much lighter as you really start to move. But the Lotus is never going to have the power of the Ford, or even the feel of that much power.Please be more specific regarding the handling of the FGT - all of the owners I have spoken with have said that it feels like a "big car" and it is not nearly as "tight and precise" as their respective Porsches or Ferraris. Do the Motons hide the mass? Is it as fun/visceral as the GT3 or CS?
Excellent review (the first one). I read it a while back while on the GT forum. To be fair, I own a 'down-market' P-car (a 997S Cab). So I can't comment on all aspects but:
I have a sense that the brakes are more even between the two - steel versus carbon or not. The big advantage the Porsche has in stopping is less the brakes and more the weight distribution. It can get proportionately more bite out of the rear wheels because of the engine location. Though the mid-engine of the Ford is excellent, for pure stopping (different from braking), basic physics helps the Porsche. But I have never ever noticed any fade or change of pedal feel with the Ford.
The other issue, not covered at all, is much more difficult to characterize. Of all the cars I've ever driven (F430, Lambo, Z06) the Ford is the only car that can best be described as 'mass-less'. Most of the time, it does feel like a bigger car, with less visibility, and the need to grunt when changing speeds. But true to it's race car design center, once the engine is in it's power band, the car shrinks to a small wrapper around the driver, and loses any sense of mass. Going 70 and want to be doing 110? Done. 100 in second? No problem. There is no sense of weight, mass, inertia, acceleration. It's a rocket. Just light it up with your right foot, and you're instantly moving. Nothing like it. Something that has to be experienced to be appreciated. But also something that always has to be treated with great respect. With no electronic nannies to catch your mistakes, you are fully and frighteningly in charge.
I have a sense that the brakes are more even between the two - steel versus carbon or not. The big advantage the Porsche has in stopping is less the brakes and more the weight distribution. It can get proportionately more bite out of the rear wheels because of the engine location. Though the mid-engine of the Ford is excellent, for pure stopping (different from braking), basic physics helps the Porsche. But I have never ever noticed any fade or change of pedal feel with the Ford.
The other issue, not covered at all, is much more difficult to characterize. Of all the cars I've ever driven (F430, Lambo, Z06) the Ford is the only car that can best be described as 'mass-less'. Most of the time, it does feel like a bigger car, with less visibility, and the need to grunt when changing speeds. But true to it's race car design center, once the engine is in it's power band, the car shrinks to a small wrapper around the driver, and loses any sense of mass. Going 70 and want to be doing 110? Done. 100 in second? No problem. There is no sense of weight, mass, inertia, acceleration. It's a rocket. Just light it up with your right foot, and you're instantly moving. Nothing like it. Something that has to be experienced to be appreciated. But also something that always has to be treated with great respect. With no electronic nannies to catch your mistakes, you are fully and frighteningly in charge.
None of that is to take anything away from Porsche. I'm not saying that my GT is any faster than my 911, but it just feels better to me. Porsche makes wonderful cars, and keep improving upon them year after year. I'll always have a 911 in my garage, whether it's this one or a newer one. But I'll never ever sell my GT.
But I hear exactly what you're saying. Not many other cars attract a following where an owner has MORE than one of the exact same car!!! And the number of Ford GT owners who do just that (multiple GT ownership) is truly amazing.And dang it all, it looks fast just sitting there!!!
Last edited by Superfly; Sep 8, 2009 at 11:49 AM.
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