Can you activate Sport mode without having SportChrono Package?
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I wouldn't say it is loosing HP or torque. The dyno as I said shows the sport mode switched on compared to it not and with a tune. Now given this is an AWD you could give the losses at 20% to get BHP. At 6500 rpm the sport mode would yield about 530BHP and without 593BHP. The graph you posted shows about 540 in the same area. With or without sport I do not know and only one plot on a different scale.
Sport Mode though did have higher gains in the mid range. The gains though look to be less by the graph compared to the two at top and are correct. This drop is normal yet could be less or more on the given run depending on what exhaust was or was not used, 2 or 4 wheel dyno, same flash for all runs etc?
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Sport Mode though did have higher gains in the mid range. The gains though look to be less by the graph compared to the two at top and are correct. This drop is normal yet could be less or more on the given run depending on what exhaust was or was not used, 2 or 4 wheel dyno, same flash for all runs etc?
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Scott Slauson
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To me, this sport button is really gimmicky which is why I didn't get it. Do race cars have a button they need to push every time they want more power or stiffer suspension? I want mine all in the e-pedal with the optimal tune for whatever purpose is at hand. If and when I need a stiffer suspension, I'll add that and whatever else might be needed. This button pushing is obsolete in my opinion.
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I "think" what Softronic is saying though, is that there is some controlling software (the gateway) that takes all the feeds of all the different devices and can alter their parameters along a proprietary protocol that they understand. In fact this software is in play all the time. So this gateway says something like IF Sport mode then feed1, alter stability, feed 2 alter stiffness timing, feed 3 ... etc
Then the question is, (still) can you tell the software that you want to activate the SPORT part of the code? If its NOT something simple, can a tuner do it, and how much would that be?
Then the question is, (still) can you tell the software that you want to activate the SPORT part of the code? If its NOT something simple, can a tuner do it, and how much would that be?
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The tally so far for Sport mode is then:1. PSM (decreased with Sport Mode --- less intrusive)
2. PASM (increased with Sport Mode --- stiffer)
3. PTM (the 4WD system becomes more rearward bias -- more power to rear)
4. TCU -- Tiptronic (more "sporty" shift pattern)
5. ECU (increased turbo boost)
6. ETC (more responsive electronic throttle control)
Mike/Ivan,
In as much as all of these components are electronically controlled and NEED some signal to work, even in Normal mode, I do think that they come from the factory hard wired, whether or not you have the Sport Chrono option.
BTW, to me, this is just another example of corporate greed and gouging with options. These features are important and Sport Chrono should come from the factory as standard, and not be included with the silly clock.
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Hi Scott, I read this many times and couldn't quite get the answer from it.
So back to the OP's original question, are you saying all the 6 parameters I just listed could be activated even if the car doesn't have the Sport Chrono option? I mean, is it a yes, or is it a no?
So back to the OP's original question, are you saying all the 6 parameters I just listed could be activated even if the car doesn't have the Sport Chrono option? I mean, is it a yes, or is it a no?
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I thought I would make another post to answer some other basics on Sport Mode. I do not mind sharing this info as it is one thing to Know it as to be able to implement it.
Sport mode is actually resident in all the systems listed in programming above. The ECU or also known as the DME is one of them. All of these systems communicate via CAN lines and are further controlled by a Gateway.
You could say the CAN lines are like cable TV and have many different lines of com going on all at the same time. The Gateway would be as the cable box that the cable goes to and deciphers which channel info you would like to view. The TV could be as the DME or any of the other units or even lets say channel 2 is the DME , 3 is the Tip and 4 is the PASM system etc. Now all these units view or receive different info yet they are all on the same system.
Sport Mode is now just an implementation that all these channels or units that are aloud to view or use via the CAN lines and Gateway. The control now to allow this to either happen is by software security. This security is in the form of a password and once given then aloud.
OK these are the basics and I hope I did not loose anyone, I have a habit of this and many of my articles are edited for mags.
The universal port for the modern automobile is the OBD2 port in which is used for diagnostics and Flashing.... This port has CAN high and Low along with K line access and full com to all the units we have all talked about.
I will check back should you have other questions other than what the security codes are, how they are gen by what comp and back door com etc.
Best Regards,
Scott Slauson
,I thought I would make another post to answer some other basics on Sport Mode. I do not mind sharing this info as it is one thing to Know it as to be able to implement it.
Sport mode is actually resident in all the systems listed in programming above. The ECU or also known as the DME is one of them. All of these systems communicate via CAN lines and are further controlled by a Gateway.
You could say the CAN lines are like cable TV and have many different lines of com going on all at the same time. The Gateway would be as the cable box that the cable goes to and deciphers which channel info you would like to view. The TV could be as the DME or any of the other units or even lets say channel 2 is the DME , 3 is the Tip and 4 is the PASM system etc. Now all these units view or receive different info yet they are all on the same system.
Sport Mode is now just an implementation that all these channels or units that are aloud to view or use via the CAN lines and Gateway. The control now to allow this to either happen is by software security. This security is in the form of a password and once given then aloud.
OK these are the basics and I hope I did not loose anyone, I have a habit of this and many of my articles are edited for mags.
The universal port for the modern automobile is the OBD2 port in which is used for diagnostics and Flashing.... This port has CAN high and Low along with K line access and full com to all the units we have all talked about.
I will check back should you have other questions other than what the security codes are, how they are gen by what comp and back door com etc.
Best Regards,
Scott Slauson
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Hi Scott, I read this many times and couldn't quite get the answer from it.
So back to the OP's original question, are you saying all the 6 parameters I just listed could be activated even if the car doesn't have the Sport Chrono option? I mean, is it a yes, or is it a no?
So back to the OP's original question, are you saying all the 6 parameters I just listed could be activated even if the car doesn't have the Sport Chrono option? I mean, is it a yes, or is it a no?
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Yeah, I definitely felt the same way? Yes or no? Scott(?) does mention he sometimes loses peoples with the analogy so I think we are collectively lost; OR, maybe Scott(?) is under some form of NDA and can't really tell us? (since he does mention working on components with all the cars, (possibly for Porsche))??
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Yeah, I definitely felt the same way? Yes or no? Scott(?) does mention he sometimes loses peoples with the analogy so I think we are collectively lost; OR, maybe Scott(?) is under some form of NDA and can't really tell us? (since he does mention working on components with all the cars, (possibly for Porsche))??
I think Scott has answered the question in a previous post. You need (at least) the factory switch cluster installed (or equivalent). He was just trying to explain how the system works.
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My question is or has been where does the button connect to. The physical button would be on the same panel as the spoiler button and suspension and PSM so the spot is kinda there ... The question more is, if you remove that panel, whats behind it, if you follow the leads from the toggle (on a Sport-optioned car) what pins does it lead back to and toggle, (and does a NON-Sport have those pins, (and if yes, toggle them what happens?)).
I guess no one, (that doesn't want to be paid for it) knows/has tracked it down, but I have a gut feeling (from all this) that all of us non-sports, are mere electrons away from having it. Alternately, another question is how much would re-enabling this cost? Any one know anyone that does the work, in the Toronto area especially?
I guess no one, (that doesn't want to be paid for it) knows/has tracked it down, but I have a gut feeling (from all this) that all of us non-sports, are mere electrons away from having it. Alternately, another question is how much would re-enabling this cost? Any one know anyone that does the work, in the Toronto area especially?
My question is or has been where does the button connect to. The physical button would be on the same panel as the spoiler button and suspension and PSM so the spot is kinda there ... The question more is, if you remove that panel, whats behind it, if you follow the leads from the toggle (on a Sport-optioned car) what pins does it lead back to and toggle, (and does a NON-Sport have those pins, (and if yes, toggle them what happens?)).
I guess no one, (that doesn't want to be paid for it) knows/has tracked it down, but I have a gut feeling (from all this) that all of us non-sports, are mere electrons away from having it. Alternately, another question is how much would re-enabling this cost? Any one know anyone that does the work, in the Toronto area especially?
I guess no one, (that doesn't want to be paid for it) knows/has tracked it down, but I have a gut feeling (from all this) that all of us non-sports, are mere electrons away from having it. Alternately, another question is how much would re-enabling this cost? Any one know anyone that does the work, in the Toronto area especially?
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On the subject of sport mode, does hitting it and THEN hitting the PASM button (to turn PASM back to normal) give you the same net result as non-sport with PASM off (ie default state). Or does sport button make changes to both PASM off and PASM on?
I usually drive with sport on, pasm off, which is why I ask.
I usually drive with sport on, pasm off, which is why I ask.
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On the subject of sport mode, does hitting it and THEN hitting the PASM button (to turn PASM back to normal) give you the same net result as non-sport with PASM off (ie default state). Or does sport button make changes to both PASM off and PASM on?
I usually drive with sport on, pasm off, which is why I ask.
I usually drive with sport on, pasm off, which is why I ask.
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On the subject of sport mode, does hitting it and THEN hitting the PASM button (to turn PASM back to normal) give you the same net result as non-sport with PASM off (ie default state). Or does sport button make changes to both PASM off and PASM on?
I usually drive with sport on, pasm off, which is why I ask.
I usually drive with sport on, pasm off, which is why I ask.
I think with relaxed, city-type driving, the difference if any at all is minimal. With more aggressive driving, the degree of PASM adaptation might be more. Still, it's not easy to tell since it's a dynamic situation with constant changes.
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Hi Scott, I read this many times and couldn't quite get the answer from it.
So back to the OP's original question, are you saying all the 6 parameters I just listed could be activated even if the car doesn't have the Sport Chrono option? I mean, is it a yes, or is it a no?
So back to the OP's original question, are you saying all the 6 parameters I just listed could be activated even if the car doesn't have the Sport Chrono option? I mean, is it a yes, or is it a no?
Kidding... kidding, Scott.I would assume this means the answer is NO, you cannot activate all parameters of Sport Chrono?
Just seeking "closure" to this very interesting question.