if you are willing to buy one that is en route, those are available. obviously your choices are limited. i looked at the specs of virtually all of them, and i would say 80% are black or meteor gray. if you want to spec one out, it is those that are virtually impossible. there are some S allocations you can get your hands on, but for the non-S turbo (cab or coupe), i don't think you'll be able to find one for the feb-july production window.

 

Is there any clue of how many turbos they are gonna make for 2010?

 

Where are you located? There are 4 dealers within 1/2 hr from me, 7 total within 1 hr, so I am hoping it is not hard to find a spot. You are right, dealers just specs out silver, gary or black to be on the safe side. Almost all the rest of the line up are in those colors combo. Anyone else here having problem finding a slot to specs their 2010.

 

unfortunately, i don't think that's going to matter. i spoke to many of the biggest dealers in the country - really none of them have a slot to order for a non s turbo. i was very fortunate in finding one. good luck.

 

OK, thanks for the info. Looks like you did your research. How much is a turbo S? a few options added on the non-s is 150+.... Turbo S, too much coins for me : D

 

no details on S yet. heard base price could be $25-$30k above turbo. supposedly will include pccb's, pdk and i would think/hope ptv, sport chrono, center locking wheels - so if you were going to spec your turbo out with all of those the prices may not be that much different at the end of the day.

 

The turbo will is between 155 to 165. If the turbo S is 165 including the above, it will pretty much be the same price. Might worth the wait to find out details, Any guess on when the S will roll off the factory? — thanks

 

i thought about that and did the math under those assumptions. given my other options, i guesstimated that the S would still be $10k-$15k more than what I spec'd out. for that, i would basically be getting an extra 30-50 hp. for me, wasn't willing to do that.

 

Same here, do not need the extra HP. And it is getting closer and closer to 200K.... that is a lot of money, considering the Carrera is 90K ; D

 

By the response in this forum Porsche business plan is doing well. After the crashing prices on the 997.1 and poor sales numbers they are creating artificial demand by lowering the number of cars plus optioning what's available. After the initial demand rush I doubt they will report great numbers. Take a look at the Panamera inventories!!!Don't fall for the games.

 

How many here are waiting in line for one? Have not look at the Panamera inventory lately, are there a lot of them on the lot?

 

I agree. Don't drink repeat the dealer BS. The economy sucks. My Fortune 100 company just laid off 10% of the staff in USA. It is a blood-bath. They are the largest employer in my region. Few people have money to buy the Turbos.

On Edmunds, dealer margin is 10%. NFW do they deserve to get that for a custom order. They don't even have to carry the cost of inventory. Just write an order an presto the dealer gets $15,000 bucks profit on an $150K coupe.

A reasonable deal for both buyer and seller on a non-premium car is $1000 bucks over sticker. OK Porsche is a Premium product and dealers deserve a premium profit. If MSRP $150,000 then let them take a $5,000 profit for "writing an order". On a $150,000 optioned coupe, they should accept $140,000. Dealer makes a cool $5,000 bucks for writing the order and doesn't have to pay any inventory costs.

It is not rocket science.

PS In 2009 they built too many turbos and PCNA gave dealers a reduction in cost of goods sold. They could sell $145,000 cars for $120,000 ($25,000 off). I was offered this deal a few months ago. You wont get $25,000 off nowbut $10,000 is very realistic. Pay more if you want!!!!

 

It is my understanding that the economy sucks as of right now, my pocket and bank account go along with this too, yet Houston dealers are still quite arrogant, inventories have come down and keeping profits high and discounts low as I see it.

Used Turbos fly out of the dealers like pancakes in an IHOP on Saturday morning, supply of good 996TT and 997TT is low in Texas at least. I wonder if the upcoming 2010 Turbo will push down the used prices down a little and bring supply to the market. I hope so.

I go along with you on the profit margin, it is not 10% as mentioned earlier, even Eric noted that but no one followed. I think a $10k off is realistic in such car and leave room for dealer to do quite well still, but perhaps not in Houston, I asked for $10k down on a 997TT and I was shown the door, got a free coffee though

 

i think most dealers rather let the car sit than discount it “too much”. I have seen mark up on car that start with some crazy amount, amount that make zero sense. But they start reducing that markup over month if the car continue to sit.

I do not think I ever walk out of any dealer feeling that I got a fair deal for my car. The only good deal I had was buying my daughter her car. It was under invoice. Porsche knows the economy sucks, they are aware we know their business is slow. But the story is the consistence, hard to get TT, 10% margin. Lets assume it is truly 10%, what is a fair deal, 5%? 7.5%(for 2010 TT)

 

one can go to Truecar.com and get tons of info on new car pricing. It does not have all that much on the TT due to the low number of sales but has lots of prices on the 911.