What are your settings on the sways?

 

Snap oversteer is induced when there is a change in velocity through a sharp corner...either the throttle is lifted or the accelerator is punched mid-way through a corner. I do not believe sway bars will not correct instability from snap oversteer due to driver technique.

 

There is nothing wrong with just having stiffer rear and stock front, as many people here are doing.

But... since you already have the front RSS sway on, let me add this thought: I am not sure that the change is that drastic from softest of RSS to the stock sway! Before you go back to stock front, you might want to find out from RSS -- how much stiffer is the softest RSS front sway setting compared to stock sway. It might be the same, or very little change, for all we know.
I'll add to this later, but the relative balance between front to rear is as important as the absolute value of each bar. NeilM has RSS bars I think, and he seems very happy with them, with settings soft front, and either med or stiff (I don't remember) rear.

Second thing is, I assume you have maxed out the front camber of your car? This is another parameter that has major effect on reducing understeer.

I also assume your front tire is not over-inflated compared to rear? This could also cause understeer.

Stiffer front sway does have some advantage: reducing body roll (obviously), and also, at least with the GMG sway, make the steering tighter and the response sharper. Hope this helps and good luck.

 

I too run the Damptronics and RSS F&R sways set to the middle position on both front and rear and the car feels very neutral now.

Several 6speeder's run soft front and hard rear but I haven't tried that.

 

Buy both bars.

 

Check out the Agency Power sways we make - http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/a...97tt-2&x=0&y=0

 

The RSS bars are both 3-way adjustable. Try putting the rear bar on one of the firmer settings, and softening the front bar. You'll definitely be able to find a good combo with what you have.

What tires are you running, out of curiosity?

 

Try GMG or TPC sway bars,they are suppose to be stiffer than RSS bars.
If you only need stiffer sway bars.

 

Being 3 way adjustable you have more or less stiffness already built in. You should be able to find a setting that suits you.

 

True.

What i am trying to suggest is not to "over correct" the understeer solely depend on the sway bar setting. Making rear sway bar too stiff does reduce rear end traction. The limiting factor often are the tires, so we don't necessarily need super stiff sway bars with street tires on bumpy roads that will make the car less forgiving for driver errors.

Many owners don't know what they are doing and just simply copy other people's settings which are not necessary suitable for them .

I would recommend to change things progressively rather than go straight to extreme (even the extreme value is better), because you don't want any surprise at 100mph and lose your investment. Better be safe than sorry.

That is why adjustable sways bars with fine adjustments are recommended to suit different suspension settings and driving situations.

 

Just remember that stiffer does not always equal better. Your goal should be to find a shop that can give you the ultimate setup for what you do. GMG makes a good bar, I have seen it and felt it, plus they race and that is always a plus. I would sell you my bars but we are fresh out, we order 25 sets at a time and with a lot of them going to Grand Am teams we are out for about another month.

 

Agency Power Sway Bar:
Front: 110 - 140 - 170 % over stock
Rear: 36 - 56 - 76 % over stock

GMG Sway Bar:
Front: 20 - 35 - 50 % over stock
Rear: 35 - 50 -65


Dan, with all due respect, if the specs for the front Agency Sway bar are as you posted, then IMHO it's not a good idea to use it. The Agency Power bar proportionally makes front stiffer than rear, defeating the very purpose of what you stated earlier in this thread: Reducing the understeer of a 4WD car.

I am enclosed the GMG settings, not because I think they are necessarily better, but so we could see a comparison.

 

I currently have H&R springs on stock shocks. Would adding front & rear sway bars stiffin up the car in general?

 

You'll end up with less lateral body roll. That's all the 'stiffness' you'll get. But that's what most people are looking for in stiffness. Stiffer springs can pretty much do the same though as far as body roll is concerned but a cost of really hard ride. So the sways do the job and you get a softer ride from the springs.

But the sways can be used to good effect to get the car to rotate how you like. You can make the car rotate faster (oversteer, loose) or slower (understeer, push) with the sway bars.

 

what setting did you use for the gt2 sway