You said:

Again your post is leaning towards the condescending if depreciation value concerns me, was I talking about me in particular? I simply said that if you are looking to have a car thats not just about speed and easy to live with every day that won't be worthless when you put any "APPRECIABLE MILES ON IT than a 997 TT is much better at that then the Scud and also you can have a car that is much faster as well. The 997TT gives you the ability to have both it seems. Try selling your Scud with 50k miles on it and you will see what I am talking about. Ferrari's are and have been more mileage sensitive than most other cars.

My point is a lot of people aspire to own a Ferrari, but that most on this forum could if they really valued it as much as you say people do. I would imagine that V owner may have other fast cars as well. I imagine for the cost of the CTS-V he could have gotten an F355 at least.

 

You missed a question, I am interested because it sounds like it would be the best of both worlds.

 

Not only a great vid, but an awesome display of power of the TT. Great exhaust note as well.

Jay

 

Ferrari is majorically coveted for its marque representation associating itself to wealth and social status. True there are always exceptions to any rule as well...

Porsche has just as much bragging rights in its racing heritage pedigree if not more.

If given a choice between I'd still want the Porsche...even if it would only be worth $1 or $1M...

I would have bought the Porsche at 5 years of age if it was only a dollar.

And if you tried to compare the strengths of the two side by side in daily driving comparo I would be hard pressed to believe the Ferrari would out live the Porsche.

My only disappointments with Porsche is not fortifying their mystique nearly as well as the "elite hard to get" Ferrari brand like it once was right up until the last 993 turbo.

PORSCHE... THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE.

 

and one last thought to share the holy exotic car trio of buzz words whether you're 5 or 50 or not interested in cars at all... FERRARI, LAMBORGHINI, and PORSCHE.

Every human being on the planet learns these three exotic brands as common vocabulary and universally recognized.

 

In my very humble opinion the only exotic car that Porsche made recently was the Carrera GT, the 911 series just happens to arguably be the worlds best sports car. I was more alluding to Mclaren, Bugatti, Lamborghini, and Pagani when I said that the Ferrari may not be the penultimate dream car for everyone.

Porsche's desire to move downmarket is what makes Ferrari more of an upmarket brand. Ferrari does not sell cars under $150k unless they have Maserati written on them. In fact with the SLS being under the MB umbrella and with the F type coming you could align them closer to MB and Jaguar.

 

thanks alot for your comment

 

hope you like it

 

With Boxsters and 996 Carreras running around, a Porsche can be bought by anyone. I see them all day long. I agree that the Porsche Turbo, and especially the GT series, are very special cars. IMO, they are the best performance cars that can truly be daily driven. But I don't think anybody sees them as exotics anymore. Just a top of the line sports car. Lamborghini and Ferrari are true exotics and will always carry that "mystique."...unless of course Ferrari and Lambo sell out with a truck line lol.

The Porsche Turbo can be arguably better than a Gallardo or F430, especially with prices included, but it will never actually be more desirable to the public, regardless if performance, drivability, and even quality are superior.


ysfg: Awesome desert photos! Nice crew. Your Porsche is a beautiful machine. Looks like Dan's kit is serving you well.

 

About $53K and three and half months of waiting. Maybe the most expensive HP I've ever bought. It was much more of everything han I expected and not worth it - lots of delays, and all sorts of minor surprises
And ultimately I took a chance (so far so good and I've gone thourhg one 104 deg day in traffic) and kept the original valance and radiators, which means if I really ran the engine hard it might overheat, but that is not going to happen. I don't think I have florred it for more than 3 seconds at a time and never more than maybe 10 seconds within a minute.

 

I certainly wasn't trying to give offense, just responding to the comment the way I saw it, and if you think an apology necessary I will freely offer one: I have no doubt your TT is faster than my Ferrari.
I'm in negotiations for an older unrestored but driveable Ferrari with 90+K miles on it, andthe price we are converging on is hovering around 2X what it sold for new. So the comment that Ferraris depreciate just struck me as definately not true. The 348-355-360s had a very expensive belt-change and such at intervals that put off a lot of people - that may be what you are referring to - and unfortunately a lot of folks who buy aren't the type who can handle or who plan for those things, so it probably did depress the market. The 430s and Scuds, etc., , and most older Ferraris, have timing chains and thus tend to have rather more reasonable 15K service costs, etc. Really classic ones, of course, have rare-part problems that put them well out of my ability to afford.
Anyway, I am not a big fan of the 996/997TT, but I know there are many people who like it a lot and I certainly respect that. Among Porsches I love the Cayman S and the GT3. I view the TT as a car that is already a bit "unbalanced "from the factory -- a lot of power but not as much of everything else added, almost like a factory tuner car. I really am not calling your baby ugly, by the way, just explaining what I have come to like myself in 40 years and 54 cars from
On another forum someone posted a table with a sorted list of times for three years of C&D's Lightning Lap tests of cars. This list fascinated me for many reasons. Among them, a Cayman S, a late 997S, and an early 997TT all posted the exacly the same time - the Cayman strikes me as the far better car, because of its balance. By the way, the gulf in that test between those three and the F430 (#5 or 6 on the list) makes my case for the difficulty any person has in adding balance after the factory builds the car: the F430 is basically a Cayman on steriods if you think about it, and turned in really excellent performance in spite of being no faster in a straight line than the Turbo. All the Hp in the world and aftermarket everything would be unlikely to make the TT in those tests gain that much time AND remain civilized enough to live with comfortably every day. That balance, and the fact that Motor Trend and C&D both mentioned they felt it was by far the easiest exotic to live with as a daily driver, are why I picked it over any other Ferrari. I jsut wish I hadn't bothered to spend all than money on the Scud engine upgrade - I never use the 22 HP and can't even tell it is there without a dyno, and it does nothing int he daily drive. If I had the money I wasted on it I'd have that older Ferrari now.
Anyway, didn't mean to rattle your cage . . .

 

Then why bother spending all that money for something you aren't using?

Just read your second post. Disregard.

 

There will always be a faster car that somebody has less money into.. You can have a Honda Civic that will run like hell and beat your 911 but in the end it's still a Honda civic( and if he wants to have a passenger in the car he will need to put the seat back in it..lol) I love my 997TT but I would love to have a F430 scud. I know I can make my TT much faster with what I would spend up grading to the F car but the Ferrari in my eyes is just pure sexy and you can't beat the NA sound.. All in all drive what you can afford and what makes you happy..

 

The curse for me is that for the past forty years, no matter what I owned, there has always been some car I don't own that looked like it would even make me happier.

I was at the dealer the other day, picking up an oil filter for my car, and I stopped to look at a big poster picture of the 599GTO, and . . . well, you know how it goes - Wow!.

 

I love your car, its a sleeper.....and its tip so it just looks like a stock car. That is until you reach about 1.2 bar and the car rockets towards the horizon!