You sure about that? Turbo S and Turbo is day-and-night difference stock to stock. Drove both cars back to back and even drove side by side, too. Unless the ECU flashing alone gives the Turbo extra 70~80HP at the crank, it CANNOT run away from Turbo S.

Turbo S is quite a bit lighter and it has a lot more usable power under the curve. It's not just 30HP difference. Its torque curve mapping is quite different from the regular Turbo so in order to overcome that plus the weight, it needs at least 50~60 Crank HP to be EVEN. To "WALK" away, it needs at least 70~85 more Crank HP and to "RUN" away, it definitely needs at least 100~120 Crank HP more unless your meaning of "run"ning away is different than mine.

So, in this sense, I highly doubt just flashing the ECU would give 100~120HP more at the crank.

If the Turbo has the Intake, exhaust AND ECU Tune, then "MAYBE". But just with the ECU Tuning, I hardly think so...

No offense, I love GIAC for what it does but over-exaggerating isn't good for the general public... ;-)

 

Where are you getting the whole bunch lighter? S is just a normal turbo with some options dual color interior and 30 more crank hp.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if a tune gives over 70-80 crank HP not only that but the boost comes on MUCH faster.

I don't have a GIAC tune but the EVOMs tune is night and day difference.

Btw just to give you an idea after tune I was 5 cars ahead of stock to 100.

 

Mainly the brakes and seats. On the regular Turbo, sport bucket seats are optional as well as the ceramic brakes.

On the other hand, Sport Bucket seats are no-cost option (that's why I got this option! ;-)) and it's lighter by 19 pounds PER seat compared to the regular seats and more than 19 pounds per seat lighter IF it's a Sport power seats. So, it's 38~40 lbs right there.

Then the ceramic brakes save about 10 lbs per axle. But we are talking about the unsprung weight. 10 lbs unsprung weight would +- equal to about 4 times when we talk about acceleration. That's a lot of weight difference. (YES, Ceramic brakes are standard on Turbo S).

That's why even the 997TT have different acceleration times depending on which brakes option it has. My (already sold) 07 997TT had the Ceramic brakes option and running side-by-side, it did make quite a bit of difference.

Also, just as a reference, even the gas tank (full, half or empty) makes a big difference. Whenever I race with someone side-by-side, I always check the tanks, too. We've done numerous tests between the F430, M6, three GT-Rs (stock, mild tuned and heavy tuned), 997.1TT with different amounts of fuel weights and it really did make some noticeable difference. At first, even I couldn't believe my eyes, but after many testings, it became a "fact" to me that even little weight DOES make some noticeable differences.

 

I appreciate those subtle differences regarding speed etc.

My car is faster then I ever would have imagined and since I don't track the car it is all that I need in that regard. Practically speaking it would simply get me to the next stop light more quickly.

As I see it now the 30-40k is better off in my pocket until the new version arrives in a few years.


BTW....I did read elsewhere that if you're tuning both the .2TT and the .2TTS that you will wind up with the same end result.

 

On a factory Turbo with no other modifications, we are seeing between 55hp and 53 ft/lbs or more at the wheels over stock. This is significantly more than 30 hp at the crank. When you consider the fact that our area under the curve will be quite a bit more aggressive than OEM performance software, it is not an exaggeration.

I see that you are in Irvine, give me a shout when you get your Turbo S and I can show you just how much we can make over the OEM software.

 

Good decision. ;-)

Actually, "VERY" similar results, but not exactly the same unless someone knows how to hack the stock ECU 100% and also change the intake system to be the same as the Turbo S. The cam timing mapping is different on the Turbo S as well as the intake housing. Even Porsche doesn't disclose it 100% in detail so don't know exactly what's different but in the PDF file that Porsche dealer gave me (This file tells what exactly is different from Turbo S to Turbo), it explains what I just said.

 

Wow. If you are saying is true, then that's great! 55WHP more for just ECU flash? Are you guys working on the Turbo S as well? I would love to do on mine. Oh, by the way, you guys don't even remember, but I did my ECU flash with you guys in the past on my M6 and CLS55 AMG. I did it through EVOSPORT (Simon) but I remember talking with you guys once. Just don't remember if it was you or someone else...

But nice to see you guys again and I will put a post up when my Turbo S arrives. It will not be here until Mid December so it's still a LOOOOONG wait. I'm driving a GL450 (Black) as my daily driver and it's driving me crazy... :-( I can't drive 458 as DD you know... I need something fast very soon or I will go crazy!!!!!

 

That Turbo S is going to feel like a missile when you get it! I will definitely keep you updated on Turbo S software.

 

Sorry to get off subject but I am looking at a 458 and see you have one. I would appreciate emailing you with some questions. duffy@danielsandmiller.com

Thank You

 

Well... Email me at jayturbo1@hotmail.com if any questions...

 

Not really a missile since my past cars were 507WHP GT-R, 588WHP Z06, 540WHP Viper... LOL~

But I think it would be the best all-around car as a Daily Driver for sure~!

 

If you flash your car, the warranty is void. In my mind that's significant liability for a 150k car. PCNA makes all warranty decisions, the dealer has very little input.
Having gone down the flash road a few times, I would leave the ecu stock, just add an exhaust at the most.
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More .
The price gap is similar to the 997S to 997 Gt3 and when I priced it back in 2010 it was 50 -60 . (1 year depreciation wholsale plus the upgraded higher MSRP newer car) .

 

definitely not worth it. enjoy the one your with