Salvage 911 turbo?
In my opinion there is no bargain good enough to justify a salvage title car. For these reasons :
1) The history can never be erased . Good luck selling it ever.
So --Let's say the person decides to keep it and drive it himself forever -- just as bad .
1) Even if fixed somewhat respectably it will never be perfect. On a high performance car there is too much safety at stake to risk this high level of imperfection.
In my opinion -- even on a cheap car there's too much to risk .
2) Insurance nightmare.
3) Lets say the new owner shugs off his own safety -- if that car is an in an accident the liabiity is extreme . Anything that car hits can claim it's at fault . The accident injury attorneys and judge would have a field day assigning blame ( I would agree with them too).
So the driver risks his great health , his success ,to drive a salvage rebuilt Carerra Gt ?
No way !!!!
1) The history can never be erased . Good luck selling it ever.
So --Let's say the person decides to keep it and drive it himself forever -- just as bad .
1) Even if fixed somewhat respectably it will never be perfect. On a high performance car there is too much safety at stake to risk this high level of imperfection.
In my opinion -- even on a cheap car there's too much to risk .
2) Insurance nightmare.
3) Lets say the new owner shugs off his own safety -- if that car is an in an accident the liabiity is extreme . Anything that car hits can claim it's at fault . The accident injury attorneys and judge would have a field day assigning blame ( I would agree with them too).
So the driver risks his great health , his success ,to drive a salvage rebuilt Carerra Gt ?
No way !!!!
second page and I guess Im the first to answer the OP's original question...."how much to fix?"
Well the turbo should be around 20-23k based on the looks of it. A while back I completed a turbo that had much more extensive damage than the one in your link. The damage on this one had totalled to approx. $55k (it had some minor frame damage).
Well the turbo should be around 20-23k based on the looks of it. A while back I completed a turbo that had much more extensive damage than the one in your link. The damage on this one had totalled to approx. $55k (it had some minor frame damage).
last pic. this car needed a new hood, new decklid, new front and rear bumpers, new turbo inlet, new front and rear crash supports, a whole slew of items that connect to the decklid (which come separately), new wing, new exhaust and tips, all the parts that go into the front bumper, new passenger side mirror, new front fender with fuel lines, new hood latch, and a bunch of other little items here and there. Only issue with the one in your link is that it does have a salvage title which means there may be more than what is visible in the pic, as well as the fact that when you go to resell, it will be a tough sell, just keep that in mind.
Last edited by dinorocz; Feb 9, 2011 at 06:52 AM.
Looks like it went for $148K.
Any frame damage to a CGT and you're looking at HUGE money to fix it (come to think of it even minor damage to body panels and we're talking about huge money to fix it lol). CF doesn't twist like steel does, you can't just straighten it out on a frame straightener. The whole section needs to be cut and then a new section bonded in it's place. That is seriously difficult work that only a handful of people can do properly. A properly fixed car will be very structurally sound (perhaps even stronger at the places the bond takes place because of added CF) however would not be cost efficient to do so unless you have the skill to do so yourself, which VERY few people with the exception of possibly people who work in the aero space cf industry will have the necessary abilities. Even people who can make molds and lay cf often don't have the abilities to work with broken pieces that need to be cut and bonded. It's not like Metal where you sawzall it then weld in a new piece, remember, we're talking about a fabric that is woven together then hardened with resins.
ScottKelly911 is spot-on. CF structure would need an unobtainable fixture to be rebuilt (only P has it), and would also require an autoclave to cure, and also the exact pre-preg resin type (only P knows--and they ain't tellin). BUT.... if you got all that right somehow, you would still face the problem of the salvage title. Kentucky used to be a popular place to "clean" titles, but that option no longer exists, AFAIK, so exporting to a country with ah, negotiable title rules would seem the only viable path. Does anybody really want to walk that road ? Not I.
As a body shop owner with many years of experience i can tell you that the turbo with all New OEM parts it will cost you about $20,000 to repair porperly maybe even more and for the CGT there definitely has to be some extensive hidden damage for a 250,000 car to total. Just my 2 sense! but a bit of advice about crashed or even scratched and repainted cars go "they will never be the same again never a 100%" maybe to a untrained eye might look absoulty perfect but i can literally walk up to a car and from a 2 to 3 foot distence tell you what has been painted and what hassent. So keep it as original as possible
Hey V10FOO, thanks for the detailed info. Just out of curiousity, is this your estimate for fixing the car that was auctioned ( I know this would be based on pics etc. and not actual ) or another job and if so what was the damage ( pics?). I know I take a risk on the track without "track insurance" and am curious???
To get those CGTs up and running won't be a cheap proposition. Not to mention all the CF work to correct the chassis. And the labor involved and autoclave big enough for that car. Talking over $100,000 I imagine. And even after that it probably won't be driving like it use to was.
I basically wrote the estimate with the photos it should be pretty accurate i put everything that was visible and things that you cant see but just from experience i know might be damaged.
i was actually looking at the same car on coprat.com and was thinking about switching from an M6 to a turbo. They also have a beautiful white 2011 panamera very light damage in the front only 4500 miles. damit i think it already sold
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