Do your RPM's ever spike on the odd start up? The Cure is here!
#106
Another Workaround?? Here is my latest ...... As noted I have been having a few annoying and possibly related issues, namely the engine cranks dead every second or third engine start, revs flaring, and rev range 1-6 events being logged at engine start/ignition (and no I don't miss downshifts).
What I found is that the clutch pedal switch (or ECU?) was doing something a bit strange. It "appears" to work fine, however the "ground" pin on the starter relay was not being grounded consistently. The starter relay ground (for the coil) goes to the clutch switch (or possibly ECU?), and when the engine fails to start, the ground pin goes open circuit, even with the clutch depressed.
So, as a workaround I have earthed the "ground" pin on the starter relay, bypassing the nanny state requirement to depress the clutch to start the car.
After a couple of days testing, the car cranks on every start and hasn't gone dead - so far so good. I haven't noticed any engine rev flare at start. Will see if the "rev range" events stop as well. Time will tell.
So what has been done to date:
1. Porsche set the crank angle sensor (didn't fix the rev range issue, or anything really).
2. Check cabling to starter etc - all good. no corrosion.
3. grounded starter relay
Legal Notice: Do not do this mod if you don't know how to start a car with the gearbox in neutral (or pressing the clutch). I accept no legal or other responsibility if you drive over a cliff of multi-storey carpark when starting in gear.
What I found is that the clutch pedal switch (or ECU?) was doing something a bit strange. It "appears" to work fine, however the "ground" pin on the starter relay was not being grounded consistently. The starter relay ground (for the coil) goes to the clutch switch (or possibly ECU?), and when the engine fails to start, the ground pin goes open circuit, even with the clutch depressed.
So, as a workaround I have earthed the "ground" pin on the starter relay, bypassing the nanny state requirement to depress the clutch to start the car.
After a couple of days testing, the car cranks on every start and hasn't gone dead - so far so good. I haven't noticed any engine rev flare at start. Will see if the "rev range" events stop as well. Time will tell.
So what has been done to date:
1. Porsche set the crank angle sensor (didn't fix the rev range issue, or anything really).
2. Check cabling to starter etc - all good. no corrosion.
3. grounded starter relay
Legal Notice: Do not do this mod if you don't know how to start a car with the gearbox in neutral (or pressing the clutch). I accept no legal or other responsibility if you drive over a cliff of multi-storey carpark when starting in gear.
#107
hmmm interesting. I am using Durametric. As far as I am aware this just reads the memory counters from the ECU for the rev ranges events. Previous times it correlated exactly with what the PIWIIS was saying, but I will check next time it is in the shop. What Porsche did prove was that you can get rev range 4,5 and 6's without actually over revving the engine - ie an ECU glitch. Not saying that all cars with over revs aren't real, but it can happen.
#110
Over Rev finally solved!
Hi
Thought I share this as I know this has been a pain to many owners...
Crank sensor adjustment did not work for me.
Thought I change my starter motor, as I was also getting the lazy start.
The car has never started so quick and is stronger on cranking.
Nearly a month on, no further over revs!!...
See my post in the UK below.
http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=115...4e5fa1f0749c2b
Thought I share this as I know this has been a pain to many owners...
Crank sensor adjustment did not work for me.
Thought I change my starter motor, as I was also getting the lazy start.
The car has never started so quick and is stronger on cranking.
Nearly a month on, no further over revs!!...
See my post in the UK below.
http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=115...4e5fa1f0749c2b
Last edited by TurboKC; 10-25-2016 at 01:30 AM.
#111
Hi
Thought I share this as I know this has been a pain to many owners...
Crank sensor adjustment did not work for me.
Thought I change my starter motor, as I was also getting the lazy start.
The car has never started so quick and is stronger on cranking.
Nearly a month on, no further over revs!!...
See my post in the UK below.
http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=115...4e5fa1f0749c2b
Thought I share this as I know this has been a pain to many owners...
Crank sensor adjustment did not work for me.
Thought I change my starter motor, as I was also getting the lazy start.
The car has never started so quick and is stronger on cranking.
Nearly a month on, no further over revs!!...
See my post in the UK below.
http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=115...4e5fa1f0749c2b
#112
Changing the starter is a breeze, I fitted mine, easy access
#114
Over in the U.K. Only around $170.00 for a Bosch starter exchange. Not sure re labour as fitted it myself.
#116
About a couple of hours on stands, helps to drop the half shaft.
Remove wire cover and remove two bolts holding the wires. Two bolts hold the starter. Top bolt is a little tricky to get to.
Comes out very easy and new one fits straight in.
This my help.
http://workshop-manuals.com/porsche/...ce_and_repair/
Remove wire cover and remove two bolts holding the wires. Two bolts hold the starter. Top bolt is a little tricky to get to.
Comes out very easy and new one fits straight in.
This my help.
http://workshop-manuals.com/porsche/...ce_and_repair/
Last edited by TurboKC; 10-25-2016 at 02:47 PM.
#117
Hi
Thought I share this as I know this has been a pain to many owners...
Crank sensor adjustment did not work for me.
Thought I change my starter motor, as I was also getting the lazy start.
The car has never started so quick and is stronger on cranking.
Nearly a month on, no further over revs!!...
See my post in the UK below.
http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=115...4e5fa1f0749c2b
Thought I share this as I know this has been a pain to many owners...
Crank sensor adjustment did not work for me.
Thought I change my starter motor, as I was also getting the lazy start.
The car has never started so quick and is stronger on cranking.
Nearly a month on, no further over revs!!...
See my post in the UK below.
http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=115...4e5fa1f0749c2b
I too had the lazy starting and occasional RPM spiking for 2 years, then finally installed a new Bosch SR0451N the other day, and the car practically flips over now when I turn the key...and it hasn't done the RPM spike yet. The starter took me about an hour and a half to install.
#118
I too had the lazy starting and occasional RPM spiking for 2 years, then finally installed a new Bosch SR0451N the other day, and the car practically flips over now when I turn the key...and it hasn't done the RPM spike yet. The starter took me about an hour and a half to install.
#119
Hi All,
OK, here's the exact text from the paperwork:
"Performed WM287315 adjusting distance from pulse sender to sensor wheel. Removed trans and adjust (sic) sensor to 1.2mm."
As noted earlier they also did the plugs, coil packs and TPM sensors plus of course the standard oil & filter service. This was Rusnak Porsche Westlake (Thousand Oaks, CA).
...
OK, here's the exact text from the paperwork:
"Performed WM287315 adjusting distance from pulse sender to sensor wheel. Removed trans and adjust (sic) sensor to 1.2mm."
As noted earlier they also did the plugs, coil packs and TPM sensors plus of course the standard oil & filter service. This was Rusnak Porsche Westlake (Thousand Oaks, CA).
...
Hi
Thought I share this as I know this has been a pain to many owners...
Crank sensor adjustment did not work for me.
Thought I change my starter motor, as I was also getting the lazy start.
The car has never started so quick and is stronger on cranking.
Nearly a month on, no further over revs!!...
See my post in the UK below.
http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=115...4e5fa1f0749c2b
Thought I share this as I know this has been a pain to many owners...
Crank sensor adjustment did not work for me.
Thought I change my starter motor, as I was also getting the lazy start.
The car has never started so quick and is stronger on cranking.
Nearly a month on, no further over revs!!...
See my post in the UK below.
http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=115...4e5fa1f0749c2b
I too had the lazy starting and occasional RPM spiking for 2 years, then finally installed a new Bosch SR0451N the other day, and the car practically flips over now when I turn the key...and it hasn't done the RPM spike yet. The starter took me about an hour and a half to install.
My car has developed this problem lately, incidentally after a clutch job (ouch!), and this thread (particularly the last few posts above) is very interesting and helpful regarding the WM 287315 fix - most of all, that it may not work?
And instead changing the starter motor may be the solution?
Last edited by cannga; 02-25-2017 at 03:56 AM.
#120
My car has developed this problem lately, incidentally after a clutch job (ouch!), and this thread (particularly the last few posts above) is very interesting and helpful regarding the WM 287315 fix - most of all, that it may not work?
And instead changing the starter motor may be the solution?
And instead changing the starter motor may be the solution?