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Old Sep 27, 2012 | 04:21 PM
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"I'm plenty confident in my shop. They've worked very closely with Evoms in the past. His daily is a 800whp 996TT."

Sounds like a winner. The obvious problem with a long distance rebuild is that even once you get it home, you're still a long way away should it need further attention.........

"I've been thinking about the 775 kit as well. I have all of the 700 kit stuff from Evoms, including the underdrive pulley from the 775 kit. I wouldn't need a whole lot more to get there."

That's the spirit.......gofer it!!
 
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Originally Posted by Steamboat
"I'm plenty confident in my shop. They've worked very closely with Evoms in the past. His daily is a 800whp 996TT."

Sounds like a winner. The obvious problem with a long distance rebuild is that even once you get it home, you're still a long way away should it need further attention.........

"I've been thinking about the 775 kit as well. I have all of the 700 kit stuff from Evoms, including the underdrive pulley from the 775 kit. I wouldn't need a whole lot more to get there."

That's the spirit.......gofer it!!
After numerous discussions about project costs you start to get a little numb.
 
Old Sep 27, 2012 | 11:50 PM
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Be forwarned,

just because you have a 1000hp build does NOT a bulletproof motor at 700hp make...


sorry, jus sayin.

Based on your experienc, I personally would get a NEW motor and build THAT one.
 
Old Sep 28, 2012 | 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ttpopo
Be forwarned,

just because you have a 1000hp build does NOT a bulletproof motor at 700hp make...


sorry, jus sayin.

Based on your experienc, I personally would get a NEW motor and build THAT one.

Way to crush my enthusiasm and hope. I guess I'll just go drop another $40k on a new motor and have this one around as a backup. Money grows on trees, right?
 
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Originally Posted by SeattleBum
Way to crush my enthusiasm and hope. I guess I'll just go drop another $40k on a new motor and have this one around as a backup. Money grows on trees, right?
No, just trade it away as a core.

Ive personally had major issues with a motor. Once its been opened up - all bets are off. Unless the shop will warranty their work caveat emptor. They rarely do.

Im sure youve read the threads re: a blown up up motor that keeps having issues.

Or, just keep the power lowish so you dont NEED to build the motor. Im happy that you have so much faith in your shop. The more stuff you hqve done, the greater the potential for error. The higher the power level, the lower the tolerance for mistakes. There's a reason cars with big mods are worth way less - unless they say RUF in them...
 
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I wish you luck-I hope your mods work out and you get the reliable beast you are paying for!

My 911 TTS is bone stock becasue I have been through this before with an M3. I can only offer this advice. Get the best person and parts you can afford-it will save you $ and aggrivation in the end.

At 45 y/o I am done with Mods on these types of cars.

Life was simpler when I had my 72 Charger and could work on her myself.

I do wish you all the best and hope you truly get the reliability you are designing into the build.
 
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Originally Posted by JSF721
I wish you luck-I hope your mods work out and you get the reliable beast you are paying for!

My 911 TTS is bone stock becasue I have been through this before with an M3. I can only offer this advice. Get the best person and parts you can afford-it will save you $ and aggrivation in the end.

At 45 y/o I am done with Mods on these types of cars.

Life was simpler when I had my 72 Charger and could work on her myself.

I do wish you all the best and hope you truly get the reliability you are designing into the build.

I should have learned my lesson with the mod process on my '05 CTS-V... I'm about to turn 40 y/o. I guess I have 5 more years of pain!
 
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Originally Posted by SeattleBum
I should have learned my lesson with the mod process on my '05 CTS-V... I'm about to turn 40 y/o. I guess I have 5 more years of pain!
Sheeeit! I'm 60; No pain, no gain! Carry on.....
 
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it doesnt have to be a pain. You just have to pick the ABSOLUTE BEST engin builder. The guys who will STAND behind their work. If not, get ready for more tears or to drive your car worried about "when" everytime you get on it.
 
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good luck on the repair pulloing the engine is always a longer process than you think. hope all goes well

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Have done it three times on a 996tt and a 997tt and 20 years ago on a honda 1.6 VTEC engine!
I agree with every word that Steamboat said and I can confirm with my hands-on experience. Shop experience is KEY. What ever you leave out to save cost, you will 100% regret it later if you keep the car. Now is the opportunity to do everything needed because after all is said and done and you close the engine up nothing can change.
Rods are a must. Cylinder head porting gives very good breathing, cams make power and increase the usable rpm. Intermediate shaft was an issue with 996tt, they should upgrade if needed at yours. If i did it again i would do a 3.9 ltr kit if not too crazy $$$, as it helps with response etc. You need to know that the shop has done these things before as it an art not a science. The upside is that if done properly it is like a completely different engine to all the other stock or modded turbos. The performance envelope is considerably higher, torque/power everything.
If you want to stay with VTGs then 750hp crank is the limit for factory level response and reliability and thermodynamic tolerances. Anything above that you need to run crazy boost in those relatively small (hot side) turbos and you ll get those crazy powers you can see in various threads here for a few seconds and then all you do is create backpressure and heat and power goes down. For more power you need to go to Garretts and the a whole new set of issues start that give me a headache even thinking about them.
In any case 750/900nm+ is about the limit for cornering a 997tt (with all possible suspension upgrades) so anything more is for more straightline accelerations.
The more I think about it the more I think you need to find a shop that has done this before this 10+ times. My conversion too almost 9 months in switzerland and still there were things to iron out later.
 
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Dont worry! It will all be okay! Just maybe a little expensive side, but then again so is a Porsche. I went through a process also to get my build complete, and as of now its been pretty bullet proof 10k miles after we closed her up. I suggest doing it right the first time, only a reputable tuner (Evoms, Protomotive, GMG , Champion) all have great motor build kits. Speak to one of them and send your car there. Could potentially turn a 5 month build into 5 days, Ive seen it happen before
 
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Dont worry! It will all be okay! Just maybe a little expensive side, but then again so is a Porsche. I went through a process also to get my build complete, and as of now its been pretty bullet proof 10k miles after we closed her up. I suggest doing it right the first time, only a reputable tuner (Evoms, Protomotive, GMG , Champion) all have great motor build kits. Speak to one of them and send your car there. Could potentially turn a 5 month build into 5 days, Ive seen it happen before
That is one great advise my friend
 
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Just curious, any idea what led to the failure itself? Best,
 


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