997 TT prices???
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Most people look at the numbers and say why buy a slower car and learn to drive a stick. So dont believe everything you read here. You will find most owners of a 6sp will be the ones telling you how much their cars are increasing.
No, 911 prices are stabilizing because the new one is going for 160k. read unattainable for most people.
Buy the one you like and don't take whats said here as gospel, its everyday guys telling you what they think. Just like NFL coaches dont read forums to start players.
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tiptronic= more or less the same automatic you'd find in a grandmas mid 90's minivan with some silly bells and whistles added. It's faster in a straight line, but slower in more nuanced driving, and significantly changes the car for the worse engine response/feel/connectedness. This is the transmission for drag racers (great for the purpose), old guys, lazy guys/bad traffic people (fine I guess... but if your biggest priority is good in bumper-to-bumper traffic, why buy a 911?), and guys who don't know how to drive stick (don't know what they are missing).
You get to enjoy both hands on the wheel in track environments feeling the car rather than reaching for a gear. Its a more pure racing experience, where you could possibly say the 6sp is more driver interaction experience
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There seems to be some mis-info regarding the tip. Since I own and prefer the tip, I will give you it's selling points. This is no way a dis to manual drivers as I had manual for years and agree the fun factor can not be compared.
The tip is .3 seconds faster 0-60 than the manual (per the driver's manual provided by Porsche, 3.7 for the manual, 3.4 for the tip) and with brake boosting, has seen 3.2-3.3 seconds by several magazines. If you drive it with sport mode NOT engaged then absolutely, it feels like a grandma's minivan from the 90's. If however, you engage sports mode, and rev it past 3500 rpm it shifts surprisingly well and sporty (although clearly not as great as the dual clutch PDK). I prefer to drive in the "manual" mode and shift myself whether I'm in sports mode or not. I will tell you that it'll never feel as engaging as a manual obviously, but it's a nice compromise for those times you want your right hand free...you know like when you want to hold your date's hand or rub her thigh
. Also, you won't ever have over revs as the computer will shift when needed and you won't ever be able to go from 5th gear to 2nd on accident.
I do believe, however, that the manual will hold it's value longer because of the simple fact that Porsche isn't making manual turbo's anymore. But for what's it worth the tip is a great transmission that I've also heard can hold plenty of power for mods. Good luck!
The tip is .3 seconds faster 0-60 than the manual (per the driver's manual provided by Porsche, 3.7 for the manual, 3.4 for the tip) and with brake boosting, has seen 3.2-3.3 seconds by several magazines. If you drive it with sport mode NOT engaged then absolutely, it feels like a grandma's minivan from the 90's. If however, you engage sports mode, and rev it past 3500 rpm it shifts surprisingly well and sporty (although clearly not as great as the dual clutch PDK). I prefer to drive in the "manual" mode and shift myself whether I'm in sports mode or not. I will tell you that it'll never feel as engaging as a manual obviously, but it's a nice compromise for those times you want your right hand free...you know like when you want to hold your date's hand or rub her thigh
. Also, you won't ever have over revs as the computer will shift when needed and you won't ever be able to go from 5th gear to 2nd on accident.I do believe, however, that the manual will hold it's value longer because of the simple fact that Porsche isn't making manual turbo's anymore. But for what's it worth the tip is a great transmission that I've also heard can hold plenty of power for mods. Good luck!
Did you see the time slip for the 1/4 at 10.7? I love how people will try and relate engine performance with road feel and how a car handles. Its the same car in the corner, but with a more smooth power delivery driven correctly.
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Hey, don't forget that we are on "6speedonline"!
I don't think anyone will disagree that the tip is faster. But, it isn't the forums that are driving the value of of the tip down farther relative to the 6 speed. Simple supply and demand. Not to mention the introduction of the much improved PDK.
I don't think anyone will disagree that the tip is faster. But, it isn't the forums that are driving the value of of the tip down farther relative to the 6 speed. Simple supply and demand. Not to mention the introduction of the much improved PDK.
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Hey, don't forget that we are on "6speedonline"!
I don't think anyone will disagree that the tip is faster. But, it isn't the forums that are driving the value of of the tip down farther relative to the 6 speed. Simple supply and demand. Not to mention the introduction of the much improved PDK.
I don't think anyone will disagree that the tip is faster. But, it isn't the forums that are driving the value of of the tip down farther relative to the 6 speed. Simple supply and demand. Not to mention the introduction of the much improved PDK.
not at dealerships. Just on the private market. You arent taking into account the people that 997s are getting into the range probably never learned to drive the stick. Yes there is going to be a rise in prices because they stopped making them with sticks. Its a bump that will go away once the give a crap factor wears off. Why did you buy that car? because they dont make them with this tranny anymore.... Ah why didnt you buy a GT4 or C4s for the same money? Well i think its going to be a collectible. So there was no other car to "invest" 60k in? or perhaps a fund you could invest in? ..ooookay
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Completely wrong. You have no clue what you are talking about. Its not anywhere near what you find in a grandmas car. The tip hold boost giving a much more linear power delivery and faster in every aspect. In fact one of the porsche test drivers recommended the tip over the 6speed... unless you just absolutely HAVE to shift.
You get to enjoy both hands on the wheel in track environments feeling the car rather than reaching for a gear. Its a more pure racing experience, where you could possibly say the 6sp is more driver interaction experience
You get to enjoy both hands on the wheel in track environments feeling the car rather than reaching for a gear. Its a more pure racing experience, where you could possibly say the 6sp is more driver interaction experience
If you don't concede that the tip lacks immediacy, nuance and precision with throttle input you are the one that has no clue. Tip throttle input has a maddening lag and if you are used to a 6 speed.
Is it faster in a dead dig drag race on a turbo? Sure. every time. That's not what many bought the car for.
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lol on the praise for the tip, sure it's faster in a straight line, but this gearbox was only offered because a huge group if potential buyers are 50y+ US citizens.
An AT has no place in a sportscar imo
An AT has no place in a sportscar imo
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While I 100% agree that the 6Sp gives a much more raw, visceral, and connected driving experience, the Tip isn't a **** box trans. It's actually the same trans out of the E55 AMG, and is very capable for high power applications (see the WR Holding 997 Turbo)... Autos also tend to be lighter than DCT's, and can be programed to shift nearly as fast -- Audi is actually switching the S4 from a DCT to a new AT trans, so I wouldn't be surprised if a version of that AT finds it way into the non-Turbo/GT3 Porsches.
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note why they switched for this year:
"The reason? The S4’s new turbocharged, 3-liter V-6 that produces 354 horsepower creates just enough torque (368.8 pounds-feet of torque, to be exact) to disqualify the automated manual. According to Orlove, the automaker didn’t rule out a DSG in the S4’s future, but said it just won’t be available at launch next year."
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...omatic-manual/
"The reason? The S4’s new turbocharged, 3-liter V-6 that produces 354 horsepower creates just enough torque (368.8 pounds-feet of torque, to be exact) to disqualify the automated manual. According to Orlove, the automaker didn’t rule out a DSG in the S4’s future, but said it just won’t be available at launch next year."
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...omatic-manual/
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I've owned and driven both. There's no question the 6M is more fun to drive and engaging than a Tip. Yes, the Tip is faster but unless you're a professional driver and you're tracking your car IMO you can't and won't feel the speed difference. Then, like I did mod your Tip-equipped car, go fast and then let-off the power. I found myself waiting and wondering when the Tip was going to catch-up. It was that noticeable. I've also driven several PDK-equipped cars and that problem is not apparent. So, IMO Tip, no, 6M, yes, PDK, the great compromise.
And, when it comes to value, Tips are plentiful and in less demand. There's no question about that and the "current" supply and demand market reflects that fact too. For example, whenever I visit my stealer or go to an independent who also sells P-cars they always want to buy my 6M for a much higher premium even though it's a cab. But that's another topic for another time. They know the difference and the prices reflect the fact that 6M's are more desirable and easier to resell for a higher price than a Tip. So again it comes down to personal preference, in DD less engaging traffic, buy a Tip. However, if you want to enjoy the lost art of Porsche driver engagement and experience, buy a 6M. JMO.
And, when it comes to value, Tips are plentiful and in less demand. There's no question about that and the "current" supply and demand market reflects that fact too. For example, whenever I visit my stealer or go to an independent who also sells P-cars they always want to buy my 6M for a much higher premium even though it's a cab. But that's another topic for another time. They know the difference and the prices reflect the fact that 6M's are more desirable and easier to resell for a higher price than a Tip. So again it comes down to personal preference, in DD less engaging traffic, buy a Tip. However, if you want to enjoy the lost art of Porsche driver engagement and experience, buy a 6M. JMO.
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Hi
Bear in mind that 997.1 is the last manual with Metzger bulletproof engine, made for racing. Similar engine is used in 997 GT2 and it is no accident Porsche used the same engine with minor changing in 997.2 GT2RS in 2011 while 997.2 Turbo pdk is equiped with different engine...
That's my 02 cents...
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Bear in mind that 997.1 is the last manual with Metzger bulletproof engine, made for racing. Similar engine is used in 997 GT2 and it is no accident Porsche used the same engine with minor changing in 997.2 GT2RS in 2011 while 997.2 Turbo pdk is equiped with different engine...
That's my 02 cents...
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