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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 11:55 AM
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Ruf RT12 for me!!!!!!!!!!
 
Old Jul 9, 2007 | 02:17 PM
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The Z06 just dies after 200kph
 
Old Jul 9, 2007 | 05:04 PM
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The RT12 "only" has 580hp ??

Wonder what the tuned 997TT can do with the stated 610/690hp ?
 
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The RT12 "only" has 580hp ??

Wonder what the tuned 997TT can do with the stated 610/690hp ?
You can get one with 560hp, 580hp or 650 hp. Not only 580hp...
 
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I don't understand how the Z06 could come so low, something had to be up as it is much faster to 300kmh in all tests i have read about...

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Z06 = 314km/h (0-100km/h:4.0 sec, 0-200km/h:11,9 sec, 0-300km/h:57.9 sec)<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
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BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>0 - 280 km/h</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>0 - 300 km/h</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">41,8 s</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; 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Originally Posted by eclou
The Z06 just dies after 200kph
I can assure you, the Z06 most certainly does not die after 125 mph. The shift into 4th at 121 mph often throws you back in the seat. Acceleration drops off, a little, after shifting into the somewhat longish 5th gear at 156 mph.
 
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My CTR-2 has 580 HP Ruf style and is lighter than an RT-12. I wonder how it would do before heat soak sets in?
 
Old Jul 10, 2007 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by LAT
My CTR-2 has 580 HP Ruf style and is lighter than an RT-12. I wonder how it would do before heat soak sets in?
Here's a clue, altough not the 580 hp version.

http://www.einszweidrei.de/porsche/rufctr21997-1.htm

520 hp / 1.422 kg

<TABLE cellPadding=5 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>0 - 200 km/h </TD><TD align=right>11,6 s</TD></TR><TR><TD>400 m, stehender Start </TD><TD align=right>11,6 s</TD></TR><TR><TD>1 km, stehender Start </TD><TD align=right>20,8 s</TD></TR><TR><TD>Vmax </TD><TD align=right>330 km/h</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Very similar to the CTR in fact:
http://www.einszweidrei.de/porsche/rufctryb1987-1.htm
 
Old Jul 10, 2007 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob
I can assure you, the Z06 most certainly does not die after 125 mph. The shift into 4th at 121 mph often throws you back in the seat. Acceleration drops off, a little, after shifting into the somewhat longish 5th gear at 156 mph.
Now that I have 650 miles on mine, I will tell you that from 125-150 the Z06 is still screaming. I have not ventured above 150.............yet.

Those Ruf Rt12 #'s are staggering. Yes, I'll take one of those too, please.
 
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Originally Posted by Erik
It has NO chance. The Veyron is crazy.

200-300 km/h there's approx. 5 second difference.

Imagine how many bus lenghts that is...

Please note that the 0-300 km/h Nardo times for the Rt12 are the worst I have ever seen. 24.86 secs is the best, in a 4WD Rt12.
Erik,

Thanks for the data.

The reason one might think that these are the slowest numbers is because there is inconsistency in the data provided by the magazines.

0-300kph tested here in 27+ seconds was based on the RT12 with taller gearing (Top speed of 360kph+). The Autobild test was based on the shorter 6th. gearing (Top Speed of 330+KPH), hence achieving the 0-300kph in 24.9 seconds.

Autobild did not get a datalogged speed of 363kph during that same test ("if" we are reading the same test), they posted the manufacturer claim of 360Kph, which is based on the taller gearing.

I have seen this inconsistency in other places. The 25s 0-300kph are based on a 0.79 (330kph) gearing, whereas, unless I am wrong, the 27+ seconds are based on the cars that have the taller, 360+kph gearing.

In summary:
Top speed of about 330+KPH => 0-300kph in 24.9s.
Top Speed of about 360+ Kph => 0-300Kph in 27+s.

The fastest Porsche recorded is still the 4WD heavyweight Gemballa GTR 750..0-300Kph in 21.7seconds.
 

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Thanks for the data, what I meant with my "580hp comment" is that it is very commendable if acceleration like that can be achieved with "only" 580hp

I am wondering what the tuned 997TT's EVO e.o. (610hp~700hp) would do up till 300 (186.4mph)
 
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Originally Posted by Jean
The reason one might think that these are the slowest numbers is because there is inconsistency in the data provided by the magazines.

0-300kph tested here in 27+ seconds was based on the RT12 with taller gearing (Top speed of 360kph+). The Autobild test was based on the shorter 6th. gearing (Top Speed of 330+KPH), hence achieving the 0-300kph in 24.9 seconds.
Thanks for the information. Hard to know without being able to read the magazine or have been there.
 
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Originally Posted by Mike2727
The RT12 "only" has 580hp ??

Wonder what the tuned 997TT can do with the stated 610/690hp ?
that was probably a mistake on the announcers part. That car has always had 650 hp, infact the license plate even says so (MN RT 650)(thats how our license plate scheme works). I could be wrong since I havent been to the factory in a couple months, maybe stefan vidal knows better. But that car has been our press car and it was always 650 hp.
 


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