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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 05:46 PM
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So, ZEMDOGG, how many is "not many?" You'd be in the know. And, while a $20 part with $1200 or more in labor is a substantial load, weren't there more serious things like engine replacements often required? That's HUGE if you're not under warranty! What's PCNA and DE say to you dealers about the issue? How concerned should we be, especially when approaching the expiration of warranty?
 
Old Feb 27, 2008 | 05:47 PM
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"DE" meaning Porsche Germany.
 
Old Feb 27, 2008 | 06:10 PM
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RMS is... someone?

OK, I have to guess... Random Motor Seize I hope I'm wrong and its more of a runny nose

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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 06:21 PM
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so far 2005 have plenty, 06 and 07 both have some.
And the statistic on rennteam.com 25% of the 997 got RMS
 
Old Feb 28, 2008 | 07:53 AM
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PNA needs to step up on this national problem for us customers. Warranty or not ,Porsche needs to accept the responsibility of this design flaw as long as the Vin # of such vehicle is alive no matter who owns it at the time. This is unacceptable for a high performance vehicle costing in the $100,000 range.
My is on record of having the seal replaced, so to me, that should be enough even when my warranty runs out. In a way I'm glad it happened during the warranty so it's in the service records at my dealership. So far no more leaks but even the advisor told me not to count on it not leaking again. Can you imagine that.........
 
Old Mar 9, 2008 | 07:06 AM
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I just found out on Friday that I've got a slow leak and that the RMS needs to be replaced. The service department told me they saw the same problem three other times within the last two weeks.
 
Old Mar 9, 2008 | 08:23 AM
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My 997 goes in for RMS this week.
6000 miles!
 
Old Mar 9, 2008 | 08:49 AM
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Why should Porsche step up on the RMS issue? Their customer's keep buying their cars regardless of what issues they have. Whether it's burning as much as 9 gallons of oil between oil changes or leaking oil out of various areas, chattering cluches, transmission problems, IMS issues, etc, many in the Porsche community simply accept them as being normal and convince themselves that the problems are part of the "character" of a Porsche. This is especially true of those whose primary reason for owning a Porsche is image.

Porsche made a strategic decision to have all failed engines returned to them for replacement under warranty to keep the community from seeing any common faults in their design.

Until enough people step up and demand better quality or shopping elsewhere for a vehicle, their is no business reason for Porsche to step up. It's much easier and cheaper to simply issue a TSB stating that the problem is within acceptable limits.

Until their many defects start to effect the bottom line more than an increase in quality control does, Porsche will continue to be inferior to many other cars as far as quality goes.
 
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Why should Porsche step up on the RMS issue? Their customer's keep buying their cars regardless of what issues they have. Whether it's burning as much as 9 gallons of oil between oil changes or leaking oil out of various areas, chattering cluches, transmission problems, IMS issues, etc, many in the Porsche community simply accept them as being normal and convince themselves that the problems are part of the "character" of a Porsche. This is especially true of those whose primary reason for owning a Porsche is image.

Porsche made a strategic decision to have all failed engines returned to them for replacement under warranty to keep the community from seeing any common faults in their design.

Until enough people step up and demand better quality or shopping elsewhere for a vehicle, their is no business reason for Porsche to step up. It's much easier and cheaper to simply issue a TSB stating that the problem is within acceptable limits.

Until their many defects start to effect the bottom line more than an increase in quality control does, Porsche will continue to be inferior to many other cars as far as quality goes.
My 997, 996 (sold), and 986(sold) never burned or leaked any oil. I think the quality of Porsche's are great. The only problem i have had in the last 7 years was a low speed clunk in the Left front. It was a bushing that was replaced under warranty. All my service and mods are done by Ron at:
Forest Hill Exotic Performance
75 Belleville Ave.
Bloomfield, NJ 07003
Phone# 973-429-9687
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ron@foresthillexoticperformance.com

Ron has never found any oil problems in any of my Porsche's. Maybe I am lucky or i use a great service shop.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2008 | 12:57 PM
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I was going to suggest just replacing the RMS as maintenance on your 997's whenever you get a new clutch plate, but if they're going at 6000K, even the most aggressive drivers have another 100K miles left on the clutch!
 
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