Unbelievable Experience at a Dealer Today
Seems to be many Monday morning quarterbacks here. NPB Porsche is one of the nations top dealers. With as many customers they deal with there will always be a small percentage that they can't please but they wouldn't be one of the nations top dealers if they weren't pleasing more customers than not.
In fact if they hire a few good looking girls from the fashion store to just "stand around" there at the dealer, I assure you that their sales may improve even further.
Just playing devils advocate for a second here but from my experience I do hear 50% complain about no one coming to help them and 50% complain about being immediately harassed by salesman while they just kick tires on cars.
I would venture a guess its not easy to be a car salesman!
I would venture a guess its not easy to be a car salesman!
I haven't read all these posts, but since the original poster seemed to get slammed I would offer a general opinion to counter the other general opinions... the customer is not "always right..." sometimes "customers" are actually trying to hide their birth right into the group known as "*******s."
The term "Customer" is actually like "consumer" in some ways to me, though not quite as curious... We're all a "customer" many times every day and we're all a sales person many times a day, and since there's more than one jerk walking around it doesn't follow that being a customer or sales person excludes us any other title.
I don't sell cars, though I am in technical sales. I think about the worst people I meet on the job - only once every few months do you meet a real moron, but when it happens it can be really difficult. Hiding behind the status of "customer" is their ploy to be "allowed" to break societal standards of decency, and it's not a respectable argument. These people usually have other significant personal or social problems they can't deal with... I have been treated badly at a dealership before once or twice and very well many times... certainly a few idiots make it into that profession as well.
However, any specific industry aside, I propose a toast to the *******s who truly do act like irresponsible children with the ploy of being a "customer" to force an audience with some someone having a professional obligation to treat people with respect... get a life. Or fix what's wrong with yours more correctly, and don't walk around looking for opportunities to feel important at someone else's expense. If this guy took 20 test drives and never planned to buy a car, then yes, that's wrong and I feel for the salespeople in that transaction. Business expects a basic respect on both sides of table.
So there's my useless post in response to a post that was also arguably useful, but what the hell, I had to express that yes, some people just need to be smacked
Now back out into the 70 degree sun that has graced lowly Ohio with it's presence today!
The term "Customer" is actually like "consumer" in some ways to me, though not quite as curious... We're all a "customer" many times every day and we're all a sales person many times a day, and since there's more than one jerk walking around it doesn't follow that being a customer or sales person excludes us any other title.
I don't sell cars, though I am in technical sales. I think about the worst people I meet on the job - only once every few months do you meet a real moron, but when it happens it can be really difficult. Hiding behind the status of "customer" is their ploy to be "allowed" to break societal standards of decency, and it's not a respectable argument. These people usually have other significant personal or social problems they can't deal with... I have been treated badly at a dealership before once or twice and very well many times... certainly a few idiots make it into that profession as well.
However, any specific industry aside, I propose a toast to the *******s who truly do act like irresponsible children with the ploy of being a "customer" to force an audience with some someone having a professional obligation to treat people with respect... get a life. Or fix what's wrong with yours more correctly, and don't walk around looking for opportunities to feel important at someone else's expense. If this guy took 20 test drives and never planned to buy a car, then yes, that's wrong and I feel for the salespeople in that transaction. Business expects a basic respect on both sides of table.
So there's my useless post in response to a post that was also arguably useful, but what the hell, I had to express that yes, some people just need to be smacked

Now back out into the 70 degree sun that has graced lowly Ohio with it's presence today!
Last edited by Bahnstoermer; Apr 26, 2008 at 04:46 PM.
Seems to be many Monday morning quarterbacks here. NPB Porsche is one of the nations top dealers. With as many customers they deal with there will always be a small percentage that they can't please but they wouldn't be one of the nations top dealers if they weren't pleasing more customers than not.
We haven't read anything from the dealership since (after the rude posting by mr-smart-guy-I-work-at-NPB-and-could-care-less-about-f*cking-customers) only proving that the whole dealership is rude. The guy is not going to be fired for something that the managers would do too!
Every business has customers/clients who will never be anything but a financial loss or stressful beyond our ability to bear. The answer is "Fire Them". Risk Analysis 101: If you don't have a reasonable chance of making a profit on the service or transaction, turn down the opportunity.
By the way, a "terrorist" customer is he who is worthless as a business prospect but whose ridiculous demands far exceed those of the customers who actually patronize and sustain a business.
I run my own business, and if Jon is as you say, then he is a Royal PIA. I don't however flat out ignore my clients, or even treat them less then the other customers. If the client is one that we would rather not deal with then we use the polite F**K OFF, we simply inflate the price so the client doesn't want to deal with us because we are too expensive, so they go away. We have had a few clients that felt our price was fine and worked with us, and the extra that we charged made up for any of the suffering that we had to deal with.
@ achtung6
you think you're god or what? as if your opinion still has some value now
My opinion is just as valuable as yours which means they are both worthless in the grand scheme of things.
Furthermore, I really don't know where you're comment comes from as I've not attacked you or anyone else.
I've merely pointed out what anyone who has ever stood behind a counter and waited on the general public already knows.
I bought from from this dealer. I'd give the experience a solid B. They do have this "well Sir you are in Newport Beach" approach to sales. Their asking price (used) was way over market. Although I liked the car (only 3k on it) i did not bother with the ritualistic test drive because of the price. I called them the next day and said if they made it worth my the trip, i'd drive up from San Diego to buy it. They took 15k off, getting it to a market price and I worked them down another 5k, all on the phone. Told them I would be there the next day and wanted the PPI inspection report, ECU readout, build sheet and to have the car up on a lift. Everything check out, I gave the car a good inspection for any visual issues, let the salesman give me a quick test ride and bought it. No regrets. I had one CPO issue with a speaker that took 3 trips to get them to replace it and had them rebalance the tires (the bose system, and balancing are not covered by CPO but they didn't charge for it). Customers that aren't really going to buy anything are not customers, they just waste everyones time.
I need to add what's not being said in this thread.
CrazyDavePops:
You have been selling cars for 7 years, you don't mention how long your anonymous friend that burned Jon has been in sales.
The type of service described in his post and yours barely qualifies as sales.
If a person walks into a dealership this is an opportunity. Not everybody comes ready to drop check and walk at that time. Its your job to take that opportunity and turn it into a transaction. Otherwise, your boss would be able to hire a bunch of 21 year old chicks to sit at desks and take orders for Porsches.
Your attitude sucks and its the reason you have to run to a manager for the smallest of decisions after 7 years in your job.
Even better career move to post here the ignorance of your profession, and insult the person that could have been a component of your next paycheck!
Pretty "classy" move.
I look forward to meeting you in your next "sales" position, when you are trying to sell me my shoes at Nordstrom.
CrazyDavePops:
You have been selling cars for 7 years, you don't mention how long your anonymous friend that burned Jon has been in sales.
The type of service described in his post and yours barely qualifies as sales.
If a person walks into a dealership this is an opportunity. Not everybody comes ready to drop check and walk at that time. Its your job to take that opportunity and turn it into a transaction. Otherwise, your boss would be able to hire a bunch of 21 year old chicks to sit at desks and take orders for Porsches.
Your attitude sucks and its the reason you have to run to a manager for the smallest of decisions after 7 years in your job.
Even better career move to post here the ignorance of your profession, and insult the person that could have been a component of your next paycheck!
Pretty "classy" move.
I look forward to meeting you in your next "sales" position, when you are trying to sell me my shoes at Nordstrom.
I helped put myself through college by working at Nordstrom (men's furnishings) and I want to offer two things:
1) I'm not saying the OP was right or wrong but Nordstrom would not tolerate his treatment of the guy looking to test drive.
2) Believe it or not, shoe salesmen (esp. ladies shoes) at Nordstrom can make a very good living.
FWIW -
I helped put myself through college by working at Nordstrom (men's furnishings) and I want to offer two things:
1) I'm not saying the OP was right or wrong but Nordstrom would not tolerate his treatment of the guy looking to test drive.
2) Believe it or not, shoe salesmen (esp. ladies shoes) at Nordstrom can make a very good living.
I helped put myself through college by working at Nordstrom (men's furnishings) and I want to offer two things:
1) I'm not saying the OP was right or wrong but Nordstrom would not tolerate his treatment of the guy looking to test drive.
2) Believe it or not, shoe salesmen (esp. ladies shoes) at Nordstrom can make a very good living.
I didn't mean to insult shoe salespeople, just to exploit the implied drop in status from selling beautiful cars to selling shoes.
Apologies to all Nordstrom employees for my quick judgment. Its true, I've had nothing but great service from you.
best thing I've read so far on this thread!!!
Spoken like someone who has never worked retail.....in a way I have to say good for you. You've never had to endure the terrorist customer.
By the way, a "terrorist" customer is he who is worthless as a business prospect but whose ridiculous demands far exceed those of the customers who actually patronize and sustain a business.
By the way, a "terrorist" customer is he who is worthless as a business prospect but whose ridiculous demands far exceed those of the customers who actually patronize and sustain a business.
and yes...I've worked/owned service/retail once or twice throughout my life and have come across more than my share of difficult customers...and you what I did when everyone else labeled them "terrorist" customers??? I killed them with kindness and took the higher ground. People know, for the most part, when they are being *******s--so if you act the bigger man than you will bring them around to your side and not only secure a sale, but a future relationship based respect rather than fear...



