GT-R or 09 997 C4S ordering car
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I personally like the C4S better. I think with the 2009 engine changes, it's going to be real close performance wise with the GT-R anyway. I might order a 2009 Carrera S or C4S and trade the GT-R after a few months.
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You sound like a racist f*ck with a post like this.
go for it! Go post on a Jap board. Ask what they think.Last edited by lig; Jul 27, 2008 at 11:02 AM.
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that's up to what you expect from the car? If you look to compete with ultimate sports cars, then get the Nissan GTR. But if that's not your point, there's nothing more prestigious than owning a Porsche IMO. Beside being a nissan, 75k is totally worth for a SKYLINE imo. And with some little mods (exhaust + ecu + intercoolers) you could easily do it around 600hp and then kick some ferrari butt :P
Most you could get out from a 4S is around 450 I guess.
So it's a question based on power vs luxury ?
For me, it's simple. Skyline.
Most you could get out from a 4S is around 450 I guess.
So it's a question based on power vs luxury ?
For me, it's simple. Skyline.
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Does supercharging a C4S make much sense though?
He's obviously not getting a Turbo because it's not in his car budget, so why would he turn around and drop $20k on a supercharger install.
Don't know, unless he really likes the redstrip at the back of the car
He's obviously not getting a Turbo because it's not in his car budget, so why would he turn around and drop $20k on a supercharger install.
Don't know, unless he really likes the redstrip at the back of the car
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) The cars are usually much more "disconnected" from the road through the steering wheel...I have owned a few Lexi in my day and have vowed never to purchase another.They are extremely well made cars, I am sure the GTR is as well, and I hear all the HYPE about it being a "world class" car- we will see, at the end of the day when the sun goes down it is still a Nissan - this 997 is my first Porsche in twenty years (1985 944) and I am so po'd I waited that long in between P-Cars-
There is no substitute.
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The Japanese car "driving" experience leaves much to be desired (not being racist here ) The cars are usually much more "disconnected" from the road through the steering wheel...I have owned a few Lexi in my day and have vowed never to purchase another.
They are extremely well made cars, I am sure the GTR is as well, and I hear all the HYPE about it being a "world class" car- we will see, at the end of the day when the sun goes down it is still a Nissan - this 997 is my first Porsche in twenty years (1985 944) and I am so po'd I waited that long in between P-Cars-
There is no substitute.
) The cars are usually much more "disconnected" from the road through the steering wheel...I have owned a few Lexi in my day and have vowed never to purchase another.They are extremely well made cars, I am sure the GTR is as well, and I hear all the HYPE about it being a "world class" car- we will see, at the end of the day when the sun goes down it is still a Nissan - this 997 is my first Porsche in twenty years (1985 944) and I am so po'd I waited that long in between P-Cars-
There is no substitute.
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[quote=jawwadh;1969511]The GTR will smash any 997 Carrera S in terms of pretty much everything... except prestige quote]
There are some unknowns about the GtR :
1) We don't know about long term reliability
2) We don't know about resale .
3) We don't know if customer service can meet the needs of the (marked up) cost of entry .
These are real factors beyond how weell the cars can perform on a one day thrill drive .
I like the GtR but we do know some of these answers with the current Porsche
There are some unknowns about the GtR :
1) We don't know about long term reliability
2) We don't know about resale .
3) We don't know if customer service can meet the needs of the (marked up) cost of entry .
These are real factors beyond how weell the cars can perform on a one day thrill drive .
I like the GtR but we do know some of these answers with the current Porsche
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The GTR isnt meant to be a daily driver.. but maintenance on a porsche costs a pretty penny.. as does the car.. the price is pretty high for the amount of performance u get... honestly though, i cannot comment on number 3 as i have never serviced a porsche 
Im just stunned that people who own such high end vehicles are not immuned from blind generalizations and blatant fanboyism.
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Im just stunned that people who own such high end vehicles are not immuned from blind generalizations and blatant fanboyism.
[QUOTE=yrralis1;1969513]
The GTR will smash any 997 Carrera S in terms of pretty much everything... except prestige quote]
There are some unknowns about the GtR :
1) We don't know about long term reliability
2) We don't know about resale .
3) We don't know if customer service can meet the needs of the (marked up) cost of entry .
These are real factors beyond how weell the cars can perform on a one day thrill drive .
I like the GtR but we do know some of these answers with the current Porsche
There are some unknowns about the GtR :
1) We don't know about long term reliability
2) We don't know about resale .
3) We don't know if customer service can meet the needs of the (marked up) cost of entry .
These are real factors beyond how weell the cars can perform on a one day thrill drive .
I like the GtR but we do know some of these answers with the current Porsche
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[quote=jawwadh;1969519]The GTR isnt meant to be a daily driver.. but maintenance on a porsche costs a pretty penny.. as does the car.. the price is pretty high for the amount of performance u get... honestly though, i cannot comment on number 3 as i have never serviced a porsche
Im just stunned that people who own such high end vehicles are not immuned from blind generalizations and blatant fanboyism.[quote]
My first post on this thread was to strip each of their badge when driving them . However when buying the car it is important to determine what is known or not known about the car.
Porsche service is not too bad (long intervals are suggested) . I tend to do more than required but have spent under 300 bucks in my Turbo's first year in comparison to my "free maintenance" 08 M3 and 200 Bucks on my 07 Civic Si .
Tires are the largest Porsche expense but that could apply to any car .
Im just stunned that people who own such high end vehicles are not immuned from blind generalizations and blatant fanboyism.[quote]
My first post on this thread was to strip each of their badge when driving them . However when buying the car it is important to determine what is known or not known about the car.
Porsche service is not too bad (long intervals are suggested) . I tend to do more than required but have spent under 300 bucks in my Turbo's first year in comparison to my "free maintenance" 08 M3 and 200 Bucks on my 07 Civic Si .
Tires are the largest Porsche expense but that could apply to any car .
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Just go drive both and decide for yourself. You need to decide what you want. Prestige at the hotel lobby when valet parking? Porsche.
If its purely for the driving experience, then you need to take both out for a drive. It will entirely depend on your driving style and what you want the car to feel like. No one else can tell you this. And anyone who says one is better than the other handling wise etc is saying it based on reading car mags usually. And even if they own both.... what they tell you is what suits them, not you.
But for the record, performance comparisons should not really be drawn against these two cars. Cost wise yes, but performance wise, you will need to look at Big Brother.... the 997TT.
You want a fairer cost to performance analogy... I would suggest a 996tt modified to the teeth by Protomotive versus a GTR....
If its purely for the driving experience, then you need to take both out for a drive. It will entirely depend on your driving style and what you want the car to feel like. No one else can tell you this. And anyone who says one is better than the other handling wise etc is saying it based on reading car mags usually. And even if they own both.... what they tell you is what suits them, not you.
But for the record, performance comparisons should not really be drawn against these two cars. Cost wise yes, but performance wise, you will need to look at Big Brother.... the 997TT.
You want a fairer cost to performance analogy... I would suggest a 996tt modified to the teeth by Protomotive versus a GTR....
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The Japanese car "driving" experience leaves much to be desired (not being racist here ) The cars are usually much more "disconnected" from the road through the steering wheel...I have owned a few Lexi in my day and have vowed never to purchase another.
They are extremely well made cars, I am sure the GTR is as well, and I hear all the HYPE about it being a "world class" car- we will see, at the end of the day when the sun goes down it is still a Nissan - this 997 is my first Porsche in twenty years (1985 944) and I am so po'd I waited that long in between P-Cars-
There is no substitute.
) The cars are usually much more "disconnected" from the road through the steering wheel...I have owned a few Lexi in my day and have vowed never to purchase another.They are extremely well made cars, I am sure the GTR is as well, and I hear all the HYPE about it being a "world class" car- we will see, at the end of the day when the sun goes down it is still a Nissan - this 997 is my first Porsche in twenty years (1985 944) and I am so po'd I waited that long in between P-Cars-
There is no substitute.
And in terms of steering connection, I assure you that the 997 is far more disconnected than a 993, a 964, a 911 3.2 or even your old 944...
In terms of substitute, I am a realist.... have owned 5 Porsches over e pretty long period of time (all 911s, starting with a 1985 3.2, a 1990 964 C4, a 1995 993 C2 and a 1996 993 C4s that I still own, as well as my super soft turbo, and yet if I am to sell my turbo, I will seriously consider a GTR for the price if I have enough seat time and decide I like it. I really dont mind the badge. I am all for progress and the ultimate in technology that my money can buy me. But thats just me....