Rolls club

 

They did, the spend lots of money with Car and Driver for advertising, and then the writers are heavily influenced by the fact that if BMW's don't sell that perhaps they will be hanging out on automobile forums like the rest of us pretending we know everything, as they will be out of work.

Love the Because Mine Won't, never heard that one before. I don't think I saw any BMW's there. Wait I think I saw one in the parking lot as they panned over the facilities.

 

WOW, this gets people riled up! I like to put scientific data in as much as possible in conditions such as these, and should note that in the Mag issue where the M3 was in front of the porsche, there are 3 pages of porsche ads and NO bmw ads. I then went and looked back over the last 12 months and found that porsche always had the preferential advertising space. I just thought it would be helpful to debunk the conspiracy theory. If anything, C&Ds bias is towards practical cars. They seem to be almost like consumer reports sometimes. Let's not forget that they found the B5 S4 to be better than the E36 M3 too! I had the S4 and it was a pig. I loved the luxury, but it had severe terminal understeer all the time. All the Euro based mags noted this, but not C&D. I have to admit, that I do trust them when they use professional drivers as testers. Either way, the latest automobile magazine says it best, " the 911 has a sense of theater at any speed" "and is the best car here" My frst test drive, that "sense of theater" or perhaps we could call it "character" was unmistakable and wonderful. The M3 needed to be beaten a bit for it's character to shine through. It was just a touch ordinary feeling at lower velocities, but that could be nice too. (low sound levels and comfy seats, good stereo, etc)

 

just went over to M3post and read the M3 vs 997 thread.

yes, some of the comments are funny, but actually most of the comments are legit and very reasonable. I have a lot more respect for M3 owners after reading that thread. They are a lot like us, everyone wants to have a GT3!

regarding the C & D magazine, yes, it has evolved into a car consumer report for the general public rather than for the true car guys. A car will always score better with trunk space, rear seat room, gas mileage is a big thing lately, and car price. Can't blame them as this is the information that the public wants to see.

But for true car guys like us, we will take performance over anything. In fact we prefer cars that have no insulation (i.e. light weight), stiff suspension, no sunroof, loud exhaust....it is easy to see why the C & D magazine will not pick the cars that we like....as it is all our fault.

 

In reference to the previous months Corvette ZR1 vs Z06 comparison article, this guy writes in:

"You guys showed remarkable restraint in not declaring a BMW as the winner of your Corvette shootout!"

 

For you and the other "true car guys" here: stop crying about the trunk space and try reading the article - the conclusion is irrelevant; the TRACK TEST SHOWED THE M3 was FASTER! The M3 was FASTER. Interesting that the "true car guys" are talking down the car that won the track portion of the comparison. Apparently a "true car guy" just wants the noisier, less comfortable and not as fast car. Interesting information.

Keep talking about how the M3 guys are selling out or less committed when they can BOTH outrun your 911 AND have the usable trunk and a real back seat. It makes you look smart!

 

Just got my issue today, i love the letters

 

Hey Kurt,

Take it easy. Nobody is crying, I have been laughing too much reading and typing this thread.

If you really understand what most of us are saying here, all these cars that we talk about are very close to each other, any track time differences can be heavily influenced by the driver, road condition, etc.

But since this is a 997 board, the majority of us will prefer a 997 over M3, and we don't need any objective test to defense ourselves.

Ed has enclosed the Autocar article on my behalf that you requested earlier, and it showed that on a wet track, the 997S was "way faster" than the F430. And you were the one who said there was no way that a 997S can outrun a F430. I am "smart enough" not to go on FerrariChat to claim that my 997S is better than F430.

You can keep hanging out here to defense the M3, but that only further prove how stupid you are.

 

This thread is ....

...let me end the debate right here....

Which car will pull the hotter chicks????????????

...nuff said

 

Let me guess....a midnight blue 997S cab will pull the hottest chick.

But a M3 sedan can pack 3 more in the rear seat, and 2 more in the trunk.

Do you prefer quality vs quantity?

 

Kurt, I have the magazine and still have not read the article. I have looked at it and I will agree that around Laguna the BMW was 1.1 seconds faster on a 1:40 lap. That is about 1% faster, not enough to really make a massive difference. I will say it is a good thing that they only tested it for one lap, as every M3 owner I have seen at the track complains about the fact that there brakes are toast after 10 hard laps. No I recall another article written by your demigods at C&D (they are experts after all) that found that the Porsche brakes (both the cast iron, and PCCB) out braked and didn't fade from an intense and repeated braking test.

Can't go around fast when you have no brakes.

 

Good point Skyler. I am not sure I want to use that as justification for buying one to my wife. However you have the distinct advantage of allowing the lovely young ladies the opportunity to check their make up with your wheels.

I am only giving you a hard time. Good to see your post again.

Ed

 

BMW (*****, Moan, Whine) owners need to relax. Yes, we as Porsche owners realize the mag article objectively showed that the sedan won 1 whole lap (whoopee!) by 1.1 second (double whooppee!). The top of the bottom of the line model matched the bottom of the line model 911, which again, still has a few more iterations that will royally hand any m3 it's bangled bumper.

There's no challenge in driving an M3. You may as well buy a civic and stick a turbo engine with Nitrous in it. It has more horses and great center of gravity!

North makes a great point: at the core of the "racing" experience, the authors of the article noted that the BMW brakes are crap, and there is no way that those stock floating calipers will hold a candle to a 911 after a few hard laps. The 911 wins!

End thread.

 

Tim....a man after my own heart......I like the way you think. Depends on how drunk you are....

Everyone else.....aaaaarrrggghhhh. I thought we ended this debate. I'm selling the P-car and the M-car and buying a used Vega

 

Hey Ed, note that Lexus came in 2nd. I'm ready to start that self flagellation post.