Wow, you just got your car, now you are looking to upgrade it

 

So what kind of depreciation would be 'normal' for year #1, year #2 ? If one brought a '09 pcar at say msrp of $90k how does the above apply ? Is it a number or a percentage ? Once the msrp reaches $100k does a different condition exist ? In the market has the last 22 months (post Lehman) been radically different then say 2006 to the summer of 2008 ?

This is a prep for the calculations to support a 'trade' to a 991. The tax savings will be a variable but private sale requires to many what if's.

 

No but I know myself well enough that I have about 2 years (maybe 3) before I start to want something new...its a curse and mine to bear.

 

Indeed. The 991's wheelbase will be longer than the Cayman's wheelbase. It will change the 911 driving dynamics significantly. It may actually be a better car, if you like that sort of stability. If you are a 911 fan to the core you will not like it. The difference will be bigger than the 993 to the 996.

 

I thought the new 911 model would be called the 998 not the 991.

I normally am looking to trade in my car at around 8 months but thanks to my wife and other factors I usually end up waiting till around 2 to 3 years. I try to lie to myself and say that each new car will last me at least 5 years, but those who know me best just laugh! Thats why I love this forum, most of you understand my disease.

 

I see the 991 creating a rift in the 911 line in the same way the 964 and 996 did. Not because the car wont be great. I am sure it will be awesome. But I see a departure from the Porsche styling and philosophy of the last 14 years. Many 993 owners chose not to upgrade to the 996 much like many 911/930 owners did not want to upgrade to the 964. I see Porsche increasing the size of the 991 in an effort to make the 911 line a little more practical to todays buyers. I also disagree that the new car will be lighter. If anything, the 991 will be a heavier car despite rumors. Porsche could slip a smaller new model into the line up between the Cayman and the 991 to prey on disgruntled 997 disciples. To be honest I am more excited about the prospect of a front engined coupe than I am about the 991 but thats just me.

Jason

 

If recent history is any indication (Cayenne & Panamera), I would expect a slightly larger vehicle that weighs less...

Of course in the case of the Cayenne, a good chunk of that weight savings was in the off-road capabilities and transfer case. But in both instances, Porsche is clearly finding realistic & manufacturable solutions to saving weight.

I too would hope for reduced size (the 997 is HUGE compared to a 993), but the Cayman eliminates the chances of the 911 getting smaller proportions. Nothing wrong with a lighter car with more power.

 

The 993 is smaller than the 996/997 but weighs just as much...

 

I can tell you were to drive a GT3RS....the same places you drive your current Porsche's.....on those weekend drives, dinner, 2hrs across the state to Sebring, a few minutes down to Homestead, a few minutes up to PBIR and any trip across the USA you want.

 

Roughly 10 K per year from invoice for the first three years . Add another 5K if a redesign is well received. The equation can change if the redesign gets mixed sentiment (ie the 996) .

Mileage , paint, engine wear -- all count.

 

Gotta wait till I drive one .
I know this --every time I felt that there had to be something NOT to like in the next car .. I ended up re examining my position once I drove the car . The 996 was was the toughest though . I had already sold my 993's --I did not buy the 996 in 1999 (had no Porsche) -- and never bought the 996tt.

This time around I will keep at least one of the 997 cars . It will be the Turbo . In fact --for me to trade or sell the Turbo .. the new car would have to sweep me off my feet and by 2014 or so when the Turbo comes out .. my car will be 7 years old .. and I might be old enough where another 7 year run with the Turbo might not be so comfortable for a guy who will then be in his 60's. I am hoping it will .. but getting old is what it is .. so I'll want a taste of those porsches .

 

I think the key is figuring out what year will be the last redesign of the 911 with a naturally-aspirated non-hybrid engine available. Hopefully this day is far in the future but I wouldn't be surprised if some version of the 991 is it.

 

Absolutely! The more you drive a Porsche, the better it runs!

 

I'm still a 'newbie' so I'll watch what I say : the engineering team in Stuttgart seem to know a bit about why the 911 is important. Note that the Cayman is 3" longer, has a different center of inertia, and is a very different car (a true two-seater). The 911 has grown 12" longer and 9" wider since 1973; and gained 800 pounds ( a 33% increase is huge! ). The evolution will continue without our input. The great don't seek to be good.

 

I often wondered about what makes a 911...a 911. After experiencing a variety of examples, the 964 C2 is probably the last (basic 911) model that I would consider to have retained the fundamental 911 core values, both good and bad.

The subsequent models are better performance cars, but it seems that the DNA has long since been diluted. I have no idea what the new 991 will be like, but it's not like a 997.2 with a PDK box is the "last of the mohicans" either.