hungry squirrel in engine bay..
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It's the porcupines that you really have to watch out for. Those little @#$% will eat everything; wiring, hoses, the works!
As one who believes in peaceful co-existence, I actually use two to the ultrasonic devices in my storage garage and have never had any problems with rodentia. I don't recall the brand but picked them up at Ace Hardware for ten or twenty bucks.
As one who believes in peaceful co-existence, I actually use two to the ultrasonic devices in my storage garage and have never had any problems with rodentia. I don't recall the brand but picked them up at Ace Hardware for ten or twenty bucks.
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My Dad used to say those electronic pest things also kept away elephants - as he explained to my Mom, "well, you don't see any elephants around, do you?"
Maybe they do work, but I'm not convinced.
Maybe they do work, but I'm not convinced.
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My daughter had a gerbil at one point....filthy ,smelling, nasty, rodent. I hated that thing! On one particular day getting ready for work , I found a pair of my Bruno shoes with a hole chewed through them. So I ask....what should I have done....pet the beast , and praise it on its lovely chewing ability? Hell no....
I made a cross and crucified him to it. I was later arrested by the Humane Society for murder and did 10 years in a State Cell.........Its hard to believe that this could actually happen.
We elected these officials......SCARY!
I made a cross and crucified him to it. I was later arrested by the Humane Society for murder and did 10 years in a State Cell.........Its hard to believe that this could actually happen.
We elected these officials......SCARY!
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I actually like the little ****ers -- but "like" nearly turned to "hate" when they moved into my outdoor grill last year. Nesting in my grill...well, that's my fault I guess...I shoulda put the cover back on after I used it last. Mother squirrel birthed two squirrelettes in there before I discovered her, so I relectantly gave up my grill for a couple months and let them stay until they could manage on their own. Not happy about losing the use of my grill for so long, but hey, I'm a nice guy (my girlfriend "convinced" me it was the humane thing to do). This year, the squirrels moved into my attic -- no idea how they got in. They make SO much noise and at the oddest of hours! It's either them or me, but somebody's gotta move -- and I'm the only one paying the mortgage so... I used a pepper-based spray from Home Depot that, according to the label would convince them to leave, but it didn't. I'm willing to try one more humane method (maybe the electronic device mentioned earlier) , but if that doesn't work, I fear somebody's gonna die! Guess I'll go on the lam and be a ASPCA fugitive...that's a risk I'm willing to take for peace of mind and a good nite's sleep.
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Keeping Politics out of Porsches
I don't understand why so many on this thread want to kill a little creature for simply wanting to build it's home. That animal doesn't know the difference between a Porsche or any other safe spot . It didn't try to hurt him and just because another squirrel bit someone as a kid doesn't even apply to this incident . In fact the squirrels side of that story isn't posted.
As for the damage and cost -- how much can it possibly be? It doesn't sound like the creature will bother the car again and machines can be fixed.
As for the damage and cost -- how much can it possibly be? It doesn't sound like the creature will bother the car again and machines can be fixed.
I am surprised though that you "don't understand". Very few people agree with you about vermin of any type. Squirrels -- particularly the grey squirrel -- are traditionally and currently put in that category, even in the jurisdictions most amenable to the views you express. You must know that your views are those of a minority, or if you prefer to avoid that conclusion, they at least are not universal and not reflected in law.
Since the OP is in Texas, it is unlikely in the extreme that his wildlife laws are more stringent than the United Kingdom, so let me quote a summary of the UK rules on grey squirrels:
Since their introduction into Britain in the 1870s grey squirrels have spread rapidly. They have displaced the red squirrel throughout most of England and Wales and in southeast and central Scotland.
Grey squirrels can cause serious problems for foresters, native wildlife and gamekeepers. The bark stripping from tree trunks during the months of May and June, damages stands of timber and natural woodland. In spring, the taking of eggs and young chicks can be devastating for songbird and ground nesting bird populations. Damage to hoppers, feed bins and water pipes can cause serious and costly shoot management problems.
The grey squirrel is also a significant factor in the decline of the native red squirrel population in the UK. Greys can carry the squirrel pox virus. And although they are are relatively unaffected themselves the disease causes considerable suffering and death to the red squirrel –which is already severely threatened and extinct in many parts of the UK..
Grey squirrels have limited legal protection and can be controlled all year round by a variety of methods including shooting, trapping and poisoning. It is an offence under section 14 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act (1981) to introduce and release grey squirrels into the wild.
Grey squirrels can cause serious problems for foresters, native wildlife and gamekeepers. The bark stripping from tree trunks during the months of May and June, damages stands of timber and natural woodland. In spring, the taking of eggs and young chicks can be devastating for songbird and ground nesting bird populations. Damage to hoppers, feed bins and water pipes can cause serious and costly shoot management problems.
The grey squirrel is also a significant factor in the decline of the native red squirrel population in the UK. Greys can carry the squirrel pox virus. And although they are are relatively unaffected themselves the disease causes considerable suffering and death to the red squirrel –which is already severely threatened and extinct in many parts of the UK..
Grey squirrels have limited legal protection and can be controlled all year round by a variety of methods including shooting, trapping and poisoning. It is an offence under section 14 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act (1981) to introduce and release grey squirrels into the wild.
We could expand that second paragraph to say "serious problems for foresters, native wildlife and gamekeepers and owners of fine cars." These are not protected animals anywhere I could locate in an admittedly cursory search.
I didn't do a comprehensive search but the various U.S. state laws I examined have a common tone of blocking the keeping or hunting or trapping of furbearing animals and they always conclude by exempting the killing of squirrels in particular and animals in general that are committing "depredations" so long as the carcass or pelt is not sold or traded. Chewing the insulation of a Porsche counts as a depredation. We also have federal and local laws about cruelty to animals, but only enthusiasts of your stated view on squirrels consider killing itself to be inherently cruel. The various legislatures do not. Nor do the laws in the United Kingdom as we see above.
I don't think any of us would object to you personally letting squirrels nest in your P-car, but your objecting to the rest of us discussing ways to stop the disease-ridden vermin homesteading our engine bays is crossing the line into politics. If I want the Prius's side of a discussion I will go to a Prius enthusiast site (I assume there are some somewhere) and if I want the squirrel's side, I will go to a site for discussing the fuzzy side of wildlife.
This is a Porsche list on a site for fine automobiles. I suggest that if any creature eats insulation and nests in air ducts, it is a vermin by definition in this neighborhood, and discussing preventive measures is a reasonable topic. We should be able to discuss it without the distraction of politics.
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This is why I decline to discuss religion or politics. These are matters of faith, faith in religious teaching or faith that one's own political views are just right in any of several senses. Civil conversation is nearly impossible on topics where the parties disagree about right and wrong.
I am surprised though that you "don't understand". Very few people agree with you about vermin of any type. Squirrels -- particularly the grey squirrel -- are traditionally and currently put in that category, even in the jurisdictions most amenable to the views you express. You must know that your views are those of a minority, or if you prefer to avoid that conclusion, they at least are not universal and not reflected in law.
Since the OP is in Texas, it is unlikely in the extreme that his wildlife laws are more stringent than the United Kingdom, so let me quote a summary of the UK rules on grey squirrels:
The emphasis in the last paragraph is mine. In other hits from Google, I learned that the British animal control agencies are required to kill any grey squirrels turned over to the them or caught in their own traps.
We could expand that second paragraph to say "serious problems for foresters, native wildlife and gamekeepers and owners of fine cars." These are not protected animals anywhere I could locate in an admittedly cursory search.
I didn't do a comprehensive search but the various U.S. state laws I examined have a common tone of blocking the keeping or hunting or trapping of furbearing animals and they always conclude by exempting the killing of squirrels in particular and animals in general that are committing "depredations" so long as the carcass or pelt is not sold or traded. Chewing the insulation of a Porsche counts as a depredation. We also have federal and local laws about cruelty to animals, but only enthusiasts of your stated view on squirrels consider killing itself to be inherently cruel. The various legislatures do not. Nor do the laws in the United Kingdom as we see above.
I don't think any of us would object to you personally letting squirrels nest in your P-car, but your objecting to the rest of us discussing ways to stop the disease-ridden vermin homesteading our engine bays is crossing the line into politics. If I want the Prius's side of a discussion I will go to a Prius enthusiast site (I assume there are some somewhere) and if I want the squirrel's side, I will go to a site for discussing the fuzzy side of wildlife.
This is a Porsche list on a site for fine automobiles. I suggest that if any creature eats insulation and nests in air ducts, it is a vermin by definition in this neighborhood, and discussing preventive measures is a reasonable topic. We should be able to discuss it without the distraction of politics.
I am surprised though that you "don't understand". Very few people agree with you about vermin of any type. Squirrels -- particularly the grey squirrel -- are traditionally and currently put in that category, even in the jurisdictions most amenable to the views you express. You must know that your views are those of a minority, or if you prefer to avoid that conclusion, they at least are not universal and not reflected in law.
Since the OP is in Texas, it is unlikely in the extreme that his wildlife laws are more stringent than the United Kingdom, so let me quote a summary of the UK rules on grey squirrels:
The emphasis in the last paragraph is mine. In other hits from Google, I learned that the British animal control agencies are required to kill any grey squirrels turned over to the them or caught in their own traps.
We could expand that second paragraph to say "serious problems for foresters, native wildlife and gamekeepers and owners of fine cars." These are not protected animals anywhere I could locate in an admittedly cursory search.
I didn't do a comprehensive search but the various U.S. state laws I examined have a common tone of blocking the keeping or hunting or trapping of furbearing animals and they always conclude by exempting the killing of squirrels in particular and animals in general that are committing "depredations" so long as the carcass or pelt is not sold or traded. Chewing the insulation of a Porsche counts as a depredation. We also have federal and local laws about cruelty to animals, but only enthusiasts of your stated view on squirrels consider killing itself to be inherently cruel. The various legislatures do not. Nor do the laws in the United Kingdom as we see above.
I don't think any of us would object to you personally letting squirrels nest in your P-car, but your objecting to the rest of us discussing ways to stop the disease-ridden vermin homesteading our engine bays is crossing the line into politics. If I want the Prius's side of a discussion I will go to a Prius enthusiast site (I assume there are some somewhere) and if I want the squirrel's side, I will go to a site for discussing the fuzzy side of wildlife.
This is a Porsche list on a site for fine automobiles. I suggest that if any creature eats insulation and nests in air ducts, it is a vermin by definition in this neighborhood, and discussing preventive measures is a reasonable topic. We should be able to discuss it without the distraction of politics.
Love the Prius comment!
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But then you did continue ... (with 300+ words or so)
and even went far enough to point at UK legisltion to somehow draw a point about Texas when the laws are not the same.
What I think is not relevant. The laws speak for themselves . You can choose to ignore it.
1) There is a huge difference between "allowing " a squirrel to nest versus following the proper guideliness of the law to trap and remove it.
2) I stated no objection to discussing the topic .
3) If the discussion disturbs you .. it doesn't change the laws or the facts .
4) reference to "disease" associated with city squirrels was never discussed . If you wish to raise that topic too .. it won't help your point.
Your point of view becomes your "politics" . It doesn't change the facts or the laws but it does voice an opinion.
I agree that porsches are fine cars . Maybe we can talk about cars.
and even went far enough to point at UK legisltion to somehow draw a point about Texas when the laws are not the same.
am surprised though that you "don't understand". Very few people agree with you about vermin of any type
I don't think any of us would object to you personally letting squirrels nest in your P-car, but your objecting to the rest of us discussing ways to stop the disease-ridden vermin homesteading our engine bays is crossing the line into politics
2) I stated no objection to discussing the topic .
3) If the discussion disturbs you .. it doesn't change the laws or the facts .
4) reference to "disease" associated with city squirrels was never discussed . If you wish to raise that topic too .. it won't help your point.
This is a Porsche list on a site for fine automobiles.
I suggest that if any creature eats insulation and nests in air ducts, it is a vermin by definition in this neighborhood, and discussing preventive measures is a reasonable topic.
We should be able to discuss it without the distraction of politics.
I suggest that if any creature eats insulation and nests in air ducts, it is a vermin by definition in this neighborhood, and discussing preventive measures is a reasonable topic.
We should be able to discuss it without the distraction of politics.
I agree that porsches are fine cars . Maybe we can talk about cars.
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They make SO much noise and at the oddest of hours! It's either them or me, but somebody's gotta move -- and I'm the only one paying the mortgage so... I used a pepper-based spray from Home Depot that, according to the label would convince them to leave, but it didn't. I'm willing to try one more humane method
Maybe the widlife agencies in Georgia can offer a service which resolves the issue in the most humane manner . good luck.
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1) Not only am I "serious" but there are wildlife laws protecting squirrels and proceedures (state legislated) for proper removal . Even in Texas it is illegal in city limits to hunt a city squirrel or use an air riffle at them , or pellet guns or poison.
Violating a widlife law not only could subject a person to a fine but even felony charges of animal cruelty is possible .
2) As for cost --his car insurance comprehensive can cover limits above the deductible .
It's unfortunate that the OP had his car damaged but that doesn't give him or anyone else the right to break the law, harm the animal -- to vindicate this creature to suit his convenience .
Violating a widlife law not only could subject a person to a fine but even felony charges of animal cruelty is possible .
2) As for cost --his car insurance comprehensive can cover limits above the deductible .
It's unfortunate that the OP had his car damaged but that doesn't give him or anyone else the right to break the law, harm the animal -- to vindicate this creature to suit his convenience .
Agreed...
I wonder if one's dogs "escape" from the leash and scare the furry tail out of the squirrel would still be illegal...
Jokes aside, those furry fellas learn quick to be scared of dogs, use yours to run them away and they might leave your car alone. You cant blame them for having good taste (literally in this case) in cars
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Pellet gun...
Neither is a black powder rifle...
...or a baseball bat...
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Ugh! Horrible! If you don't live in Texas, there are humane ways to trap them (Have-a-Heart relocation traps or QuickKill traps). I had traps set in our garage after I found filthy little paw prints on the hood of my wife's car. A pest control company takes care of bait and disposal.
My Canadian friend told me his parents used to put wolf-**** in the wheel wells. http://www.predatorpee.com/
But, if you can imagine that "no squirrels were harmed during the filming of this episode", this contraption (found this clip on Youtube) might be more satisfying:
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My Canadian friend told me his parents used to put wolf-**** in the wheel wells. http://www.predatorpee.com/
But, if you can imagine that "no squirrels were harmed during the filming of this episode", this contraption (found this clip on Youtube) might be more satisfying:(link dead)
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