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Old Dec 9, 2010 | 03:01 PM
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Good advice. I have an 07 C2S 6-speed and recently testdrove a 2011 C2S Cab with PDK and it was honestly like driving a different car. The difference with the DFI engine is noticeable on surface streets and pronounced on the highway. I am a 3-pedal guy but using the Sports Plus function with the PDK was exhilarating. It was like a whole new frontier of the power band was opened up and the throttle response was spot-on. At least testdrive both the 997.1 and 997.2 before making a decision. You may be surprised at your experience, I certainly was. Also give the PDK a whirl at least so you have some personal basis to make your car buying decision. My warranty expires in 7 months and I am close enough to wait for the 991. However, I certainly appreciate the rationale of owners moving from the 997.1 to 997.2.
 
Old Dec 9, 2010 | 03:22 PM
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Since I have X51 on my 997.1 C2S, with hp and torque comparable to the 997.2 C2S, even though there are improvements on the newer one, I don't feel the eagerness to get one. I'm thinking on waiting for the 997.1 Turbos to go down a little bit and make my move then.
 
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Originally Posted by OneFasTT996
[...]I didn't realize the chassis was different and I will now have to test both to see if I can sense a difference.

The 996TT is in no way comparable specs wise to the 997 C2 S. 0-60 in 3.8 seconds and 198mph top end make it a monster when you hit the pedal from a standstill but especially on the highway. It's just scary.

It is also 4WD.
You will feel the difference. Took me less than five hundred feet to notice, though it took another twenty minutes to quantify all the changes I felt.

You're right the C2S is only rear-wheel drive and that always makes a difference in the handling, and the TT has a higher top end. But the C2S was tested at 3.8 to 60 in the magazines, though I think Porsche only asserts 4.0, and with the very strong mid-range torque you won't feel much difference on fast roads or the twistier tracks like the Streets of Willow. On the big track at Willow, a 996 TT will put a couple of seconds a lap on the 997.2 assuming both have manual transmissions. The PDK on the dot two will buy back a little of that. Maybe a second a lap, ADias?

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Originally Posted by OneFasTT996
Thanks for the info! A lot of good stuff in there and you may have convinced me to stay out of the 997's for a couple years and wait for the 997.2 models to fall into a range where I am happy. I didn't realize the chassis was different and I will now have to test both to see if I can sense a difference.

The 996TT is in no way comparable specs wise to the 997 C2 S. 0-60 in 3.8 seconds and 198mph top end make it a monster when you hit the pedal from a standstill but especially on the highway. It's just scary.

It is also 4WD.
It's pretty close (stock to stock) . PDK with this Dfi engine really makes the most out of the Hp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5BVmaU-Vvo
 
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Good info and great video. Thanks.

Originally Posted by simsgw
You will feel the difference. Took me less than five hundred feet to notice, though it took another twenty minutes to quantify all the changes I felt.

You're right the C2S is only rear-wheel drive and that always makes a difference in the handling, and the TT has a higher top end. But the C2S was tested at 3.8 to 60 in the magazines, though I think Porsche only asserts 4.0, and with the very strong mid-range torque you won't feel much difference on fast roads or the twistier tracks like the Streets of Willow. On the big track at Willow, a 996 TT will put a couple of seconds a lap on the 997.2 assuming both have manual transmissions. The PDK on the dot two will buy back a little of that. Maybe a second a lap, ADias?

Gary
I'm confused. Porsche's website has it at 4.5 seconds and you are saying it is 3.8. I know Porsche usually doesn't commit to the absolute times but that seems like a pretty big gap. Especially as they have the Turbo S listed at 3.1 and it get 2.9...

I may wait a while then and just get the Turbo in a year and suck it up with the 996TT until then.

How does a 07 997 Turbo compare? Is the performance similar to the 997.2 C4S?
 

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Old Dec 10, 2010 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by OneFasTT996
I'm confused. Porsche's website has it at 4.5 seconds and you are saying it is 3.8. I know Porsche usually doesn't commit to the absolute times but that seems like a pretty big gap. Especially as they have the Turbo S listed at 3.1 and it get 2.9...
Best not to worry overmuch about the published figures on these cars. We're down to such short intervals for zero to sixty that differences in technique can overwhelm differences between cars. I just read somewhere... R&T maybe... that the latest Porsche Turbo gets zero to one hundred in something like six seconds. That is the domain of dedicated race cars and it isn't even the most extreme Porsche these days. With cars this fast, side-by-side tests exchanging drivers are the only truly objective test, because the performance differences are so slight they can be absorbed even in the extent to which one car's 'rhythm' or balance matches a particular driver better.

My real point was that the previous generation TT is so close to the current generation S class that you won't feel it on the road as a performance difference, just a difference in feel. And the dot two S class won't disappoint you coming from a 996 TT. The deep well of torque could easily make you prefer the dot two S.

Originally Posted by OneFasTT996
I may wait a while then and just get the Turbo in a year and suck it up with the 996TT until then.

How does a 07 997 Turbo compare? Is the performance similar to the 997.2 C4S?
Well, as we know the Turbo is considered a different car design entirely by Zuffenhausen. Lots of parts commonality, but they don't even change generations in the same model year normally. I seem to remember that the 2007 TT is still a 996 though you'd have to ask the Turbo guys. I know they didn't go to a DFI engine until... well, this year anyway. I don't know if it was 2010 model or 2011. I just read the articles about it, but didn't study them because I really don't need that much performance anywhere but a race track.

I know that it sounds silly when we say it among supercar owners, but honestly I can't imagine a situation on public roads where I would use the difference between an S and a TT of the same generation. Sure would enjoy tracking one of course, but that's a different venue.

Gary
 
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