Thoughts regarding a 05 911 C2S
 

I sold my 2007 911 Turbo close to one year ago, which I greatly miss and was hoping to get back into a 911 (albeit one at a much lesser cost). I drove a very nice 05 C2S today with PCCBs, sport chrono, full leather, Bose which is listed at a ridiculous 59 grand (on consignement). I think I can get the car for 51,700 non certified, and may be able to swing it certified for a couple of grand more. It is a one owner car in very good condition with a very nice PPI including DME and no accident history. I was hoping for some opinions regarding buying the launch year of a 997.1 as well as comments regarding price. I have also attached a link to the car. All comments are appreciated.
Thanks again.

http://spokane.porschedealer.com/pre...67607/info.php

Fully loaded launch car in '05 is a nice piece. CPO is an absolute must. Most IMS failures on the M96 crank are found on low mileage examples. At 13k this car hasn't been driven enough.

Consignment cars are sometimes tough to negotiate because the dealer is going to keep a 6% ( estimate ) commish on top of the seller's expected margin.

If you can pick this up as close to $50k as possible with a CPO, I'd say you did ok.

PCCBs might be more trouble than they are worth for a street driver. I think you could find a nicely optioned 06 or 07 for about the same price with CPO left. Unless it calls to you and you can't ignore it, it seems pretty high in price.

Agree, 05' cars with low miles and at $60K with no CPO, is extremely overpriced. You can do a lot better.

Agree an 06 or 07 would be a better buy. I disagree about the PCCB's for a street car. I would avoid them if you plan on tracking but for street only, PCCBs will be fine and last the life of the car... or should.

Jason

i think that the general consensous...PCCB are fine for street use but avoid if you track alot

Thanks for the replies fellas. I had PCCBs on my 07 Turbo and really like the brakes. I do not plan on tracking the car ever, and would probably drive it around 5k miles per year. The IMS failure is a huge concern for me to be honest though. I have been looking for a few months and I have yet to see a 05-06 911 C2S with decent miles and certified in the low 50s. If anyone has an inside track I would love to hear of it. I have read with the great interest the 997.1 S vs 997.2 debate which if I could find the right car might not be a bad thought.

I know it's been stated before but I really think the IMS failures are blown out of proportion in general and especially so on the 997's. (and super especially so on 06+ models) You're talking about a VERY small percentage and I'd definitely be more concerned about things like history/condition/options/miles on a used 911 than worry about the engine hanging itself. Just my .02.

At that price point, get into an 06 or 07 less optioned C2S.

Quick update fellas, negotiated price with seller to $50,500. I am going to add the CPO which is approximately $2000. I feel that the car is a decent buy at $52,500 certified. I spoke with the mechanic who did the PPI and he felt the car was a very nice example and in almost perfect shape. We talked about the IMS issue and he agreed that the low miles place it at higher risk, but he also stated that he has only done a total of 5 997.1 cars with IMS failures since 2005 and agreed that the risk of failure is extemely low.

really helpful:(

especially since he's done the deal.

congrats and welcome back....dont forget a picture or two

No problem, I appreciate all opinions. I have heard some people who suggest better deals abound, but I haven't really seen many. I have scoured craigslist in big cities, autotrader.com, and cars.com. One owner good examples with a CPO have all been close to or well above this range. I could still theoretically walk, but where are all these cars you guys are finding? A plus with this car is that I do not have to spend money to have it shipped nor spend money to travel and view it. Incidentally it also has the calibre radar/lidar system installed (although I have heard its junk) as well as the front clear bra.

Not sure if your sale is final but...

Did you see the car for sale on here:

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-in3-days.html

$54,999

I looked at that car which is very nice, but with shipping and travel to view the car (not to mention the cost of my time to travel), the car would be about 5 grand more than the car here, and that would be for a car without a CPO warranty. It is nicely optioned, although I could do without the aero package. The car I am looking at stickered at $99,900 so it has some decent options as well. Is the extra MY worth the extra 5 grand?

was gonna say go for about $52k but you already did it! nice work.

I dont see any reason to go for this car over the one the OP has targeted.

Its one year newer but really offers nothing else. Plus he can't CPO it.

No...not if you cant CPO it.

The one your looking at and or getting looks great in the pics. Just wanted to make sure you knew about this one too.

As others have stated, I wouldn't get any vehicle without a warranty. Model year '05 or '06 wouldn't matter to me. At this point it's more about getting exactly what you want...color, options, condition, etc. It states full leather in the add...this is a must have for me as it really add to the interior IMO.

Congratulations, you just bought one of 337 launch editions of the 997 - these cars all have the exact same options - black on black, PCCB, sport chrono, adaptive sport seats (power and heated both sides), Bose, navigation, etc. I know because I bought one exactly two years ago.

I'd say your price is very fair - I paid just over $50k for mine with 25k miles from a private seller (single-owner) with no CPO. Keeping in mind this was two years ago, I'd say our deals were similar. I have 39k miles now and have not had any issues outside scheduled maintenance. I did go ahead and replace the coil packs last year with the spark plugs as they were starting to crack but that's it. I understand the advantages of CPO (my Audi was CPO), but after 2 years it turns out I would have never had a claim with the Porsche, so it didn't matter in my case.

As for the PCCBs, you are actually saving money assuming you don't track the car - these brake pads/rotors last forever! I still have about 80% left on my pads! Less unsprung weight and no brake dust! Love them.

Enjoy the car and welcome to the club - the launch editions are great cars!

Yep --that's a launch car (as stated above ) ^^^^^^^^^

I had one and bought mine three days after the launch in august 2004 .
I had no problems with the car at all although it did have one minor recall (I can';t remember but I think it was exhaust related and very minor).
I kept mine 1 year and loved the options . Unfortunately the theives liked stealing my lights and it was so problematic at that time in this region that i sold the car and took a break from owning a Porsche .

Thanks for the comments all. Hopefully the CPO process will be finished tomorrow and I can go an pick her up. I was worried I wouldn't find the power adequate after coming out of the 997 Turbo, but driving a Toyota 4runner for the past 7 months has cured any worries on that front. One thing I notice as compared to the Turbo is that the car seems to "feel" substantially lighter and turns in much easier, one benefit of driving only the rear wheels and avoiding that front differential. As long as my IMS doesn't grenade it should be a pleasurable experience for many years. I will post some garage pics up when I get her home.

Congrats!!!! Very nice vehicle.....! I have a launch edition as well and i'm very happy with it without any problems.

Congratulations. I have an 05 launch car with 44K miles. You'll love the look, feel and performance of the yellow PCCBs. For the street they are great. And I agree with a few of the comments here about tracking with the PCCBs. Keep in mind that if something does happen to the rotors, you can always go to steel. I bought my car from a private party in the mid 40Ks 8 months ago. But, I do believe prices have held steady or have corrected upwards after an over reaction to gas and the economy. So far, the car has been great - no issues. I made sure however, that all TSB and recalls were addressed prior to the purchase. I would ask the dealer to verify the cable to the alternator - there is a known issue with this. There were also some vent and drivers grommet issues that the dealer should take care of under warranty. Also, there were some exhaust tip issues and AC vent flap issues - all should be taken care of under warranty/CPO process. Other than that you should be good. I could have bought an extended warranty, but for me, it wasn't worth it. If the IMS/engine goes, so it goes. But I believe the IMS isses are greatly blown out of proportion. As always with used cars, they are used and expect the worse regardless if it passes PPI. Most will post about the failed IMS/Engine as opposed to there car is working as expected. Update this thread with PICS once you pick her up.

issues to have them look at
 

Exhaust tip recall
Malfunctioning horn ( one of two not working)
Alternator to battery cable
Ac vent clips
Ac vent buttons for vent and temp peeling
Peeling paint finish on ignition key surround and center console

Mist of these would have been taken care of by po. Cosmetic stuff will not be covered past original warranty so it's best to have dealer ideal with them before pickup

Enjoy. Besides the cosmetic deficiencies of first year build it is an amazing car. I have 75,000 miles on mine with no mechanical issues.

If you are worried about IMS, just negotiate in a lower labor rate on the retrofit kit from LN Engineering. I just purchased an almost identical 2005 with 13k miles (all the same options except no PCCB) and I negotiated a $600 labor and $500 parts rate on the LN kit. for $1100 OTD it was worth it to me for the peace of mind. As an added bonus, I had him check out the clutch while he was in there and confirm everything was in good shape with the RMS (known issue).