Newbie needs advice - Trying to choose one of two cars by Friday 06' C4S vs '07 C2

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Jul 14, 2011 | 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by yrralis1

I don't agree with this . It is not "gloom and doom" to point at facts and if they hint at a possible negative outcome then that's called being realistic.

1) Fact - The C4S is heavier with AWD and if one doesn't drive it in inclement weather then its not the most agile choice .

2) Fact -- the c4S is 6 model years old , has no warranty, and has 32K miles (that's three facts BTW)

3) Fact -- No matter how much "aftermarket " or even factory warranty (CPO) a car has ., it can at best cover the costs but it will never replace the inconvenience and time lost with a car left in the shop . Unless of course one likes driviing a variety of rental loaners or simply loves welcoming the stress .

4) Fact -- Op states his hope for a pristine car and knowledge with actual records .

5) Fact -- the C2 although a very nice car is not his first choice of an "S' based on budget concerns . Once bought .. if its the wrong car .. his chances financially increase to get the right car . So if budget is a concern then getting it right becomes a bigger concern.

In conclusion .. I agree only on one point . Inspect the car . "You can tell" a lot .. but NOT everything .

I'm spot on answering his question.

He asked our advice with the two choices. Both within his budget. He brought up his concerns. 1) IMO the heavy feeling C4S is a crock. 2) And no warranty can be solved with the extra 3K he saves.

I'm assuming he has seen both so both are pristine at this point to him or he would not consider them. So that is not an issue with either.

Both are good choices but I lean towards the C4S. It should come with PASM which I think is a big plus. More so than the engine which is also a plus and the AWD might be good to have considering his area.

It’s easy to say wait or budget more money but I think the OP knows that’s always an option.

Jul 14, 2011 | 02:45 PM

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I agree with the last couple of comments, I think I am leaning towards the C2 with low miles and CPO warranty. I am very thankful you guys made me aware of the DME test. The dealer just sent the full report.

Stats pasted below:

Range 1 Ignitions: 732 @ 333.2 hrs
Range 2 Ignitions: 33 @ 313.4 hrs
Range 3 Ignitions: 1 @ 222.0 hrs
Range 4 Ignitions: 0
Range 5 Ignitions: 0
Range 6 Ignitions: 0

Total hours 423.3 hrs

No error codes. How does it look?

Jul 14, 2011 | 03:01 PM

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Looks good to me...but others have more experience with these reading..

The C2 is a great car and a great drive. And the warranty does bring piece of mind.

All the best.

Jul 14, 2011 | 06:25 PM

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I would buy neither if it were me. But given the 2 choices, I'd get the C2.

Jul 14, 2011 | 06:29 PM

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I favor the C2 as well of the two choices with the description of driving it in nice weather . Yet that level 3 over rev will probably spark debate . There are many guys who feel taht if it's early in the life of the car then there's no harm done . But there are others who feel why buy a level 3 car when there are others which don't have it . Either way I'd knock 1000 bucks right off the price.

This (below) is a great thread on over rev . I learned a lot from it. On page 2 post number 17 and 27 have a great explanation .
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/997/120110-level-1-over-rev.html

Jul 14, 2011 | 06:34 PM

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No turbo, no care.

If you could go for an '07 C2 base model, I say go for a '02 Turbo.

Obviously this isn't a part of your equation, so ignore this post.

Jul 14, 2011 | 09:16 PM

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Wait and get a CPO'd C2S. You know you want it and there's a great chance it will be in your price range once the 991 drops.

Jul 14, 2011 | 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SchnellFahren

That should be fine. I suspect the Range 3 reading is an error. Range 3 is between 7700 and 7900 RPMs. One single ignition is essentially impossible.

Consider this - there are three ignitions per revolution. At 7700 rpms there are about 128 revolutions per second which is 385 ignitions per second. One and only one ignition in that range would take about 2.6 milliseconds. Even if the engine was in that rpm range for 2.6 msec, who cares? It's the range 4 and above ignitions that are a potential concern. Even the Range 2 ignitions represent only 88 msec in the 7500-7700 range.

If that's the car you like, don't let the DME scan worry you.

Jul 15, 2011 | 02:01 AM

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No turbo, no care.

If you could go for an '07 C2 base model, I say go for a '02 Turbo.

Obviously this isn't a part of your equation, so ignore this post.

i havn't seen this NUB of a post since Hondatech.