I am not saying to do this, but a friend of mine, my best friend used to kid me about my Porsche being a VW. For the record he is a car guy - drives BMWs and a gorgeous mint condition 1970 Chevelle. Recently I let him drive my P-Car and he will never, ever ever call it a VW again, even in jest. All he could say after his very brief but aggressive drive was - wow, holy sh-t WOW! He now wants one and tells many other car guys how amazing my P-Car is to drive.

 

The Cayenne S e-Hybrid has a supercharged V6 from Audi.

 

First off, your 'hair dresser's car' comment is myopic and juvenile. The Cayman is arguably the best handling car available today for under $100k. I suggest you talk to some cayman owners who race/track their cars. I think it will help sway your opinion of Porsche in general.

Yes, there are many many parts on the 997 made by VW/Audi. In addition to the already mentioned parts, the entire steering control module and all encompassing input modules are manufactured by VW/Audi. They may have been designed by Porsche but VW/Audi made them. This is not uncommon and it a product of lateral integration of parts manufacturing and cost economies, both scope and scale.

 

Just ... wow. So I guess under your definition, my cousin thinks I'm a hairdresser or poser and isn't a true car guy since he recommended I buy a Cayman. BTW, he's only been repairing Porsches for 30+ years after growing up admiring my dad's 356B. I ended up buying a 2011 997.2 C2S (which was made in Oct 2010, prior to the VW/Audi partnership so I guess your 2010 isn't the "last of a model run") but he highly recommended the Cayman and then the Boxster when I insisted on a cab.

Who cares how your parts are stamped as long as the car performs like a Porsche rather than a VW? Posers care about labels and flash. A real car guy should care about performance. Period.

 

I got a 2009 so I guess I m good, LOL. Wonder who made those parts? Not really concerned. It s the totality of the car that matters to me and I believe Porsche has proven they got it right throughout the many years.

 

who's the real "fanboy" here

I own both and I love my VW just the same... I was in an Aventador the other day with VW stamped seat belt clips.

 

Let me be clear, the 997.2 is the last of the Porsche Made, Designed and Owned 911 model run. Congrats on the 2011 glad you didn't buy a hairdressers car. 30yr Porsche mechanic recommended it but you didn't buy it.

Well as an enthusiast and someone who has been around cars most my life I would say performance is only a fraction of the equation for a gear head like me. I look for automotive engineering excellence

Performance (all parts, comfort, acceleration, ride quality, handling), reliability, automotive engineering history, how long has a particular motor, chassis been produced and who makes it, knowing the material that goes into the motor forged, alloy or cast iron and understand what that means for longevity and potential power gains. How easy is a car to work on, is it setup logically if something needs to fixed, and what's the emphasis on safety. What industry leading items is a manufacturer bringing to market. That's what being an auto enthusiast means to me. VAG buys all the automotive knowledge they don't have(Scania, Ducati, Lambo to Bentley). Companies like GM, Volvo, Mercedes and Ford build it In house. That's says a lot to me about the company and what they stand for, automotive engineering excellence.

But as we know, opinions are like @$$holes and everyone's got one.

 

The juvenile comment is cute (your way of asserting yourself online), You can justify the Cayman anyway you want, your money and your life. I don't track cars. I would take a C6/C7, Z06, ZR1, Mustang 350R/GT500, Focus RS, SLK AMG, Volvo C70 hell even a Hellcat ( I could go on) before a Cayman or dare I even say a Boxster. But that's just me, if my wife wants to drive a Boxster or Cayman I have no problem with it. It is a "chicks car." (Insert juvenile comment here)

My opinion of Porsche is 911 widebody coupe or nothing, what can I say, I am an @$$ man. It used to be coupe Turbo or nothing. Porsche even says "There is no substitute" why would I pay 100k for a Cayman when I could buy a 911. That's how I see it, I didn't grow up with a poster of a Cayman in my room or reading reviews of how great the Cayman is, the Cayman isn't decades of evolution. For me it was and is a car created for a price entry point under the 911 so Porsche can sell more cars, for those who wanted the Crest but didn't want to spend 911 money, but get some of the similar driving experience. On looks alone the Cayman and Boxster don't hold a candle to a Widebody 911.

For me it was several 911 posters and decades of 911 reviews and evolution. Plenty of terrible Porsches in the 80s and 90s (the VW ones), but they weren't the 911s if we go by today's resale values. Enjoy your car in good health but please don't pass judgement or try to characterize me as Juvenile for my choice of words.

 

Now who's projecting? It is a juvenile comment and POV in that it is immature and lacks insight or more specifically knowledge of the platforms sold by Porsche and how they compare objectively to other makers' models.

It's shallow.

And you are contradictory in your insecurity about VW/AUDI parts used on a 997 while simultaneously criticising "those who wanted the Crest but didn't want to spend 911 money."

Make up your mind.

I also think Ford, Chevy et al have some excellent cars. The one thing I think we can agree on is that you are more concerned with image and desirability (subjective) while most of your critics in this thread are more concerned with pragmatism (objective).

I'll also share that I at least agree with your thoughts on the best 911 since I own a 997 wide body GTS. I'm not against your tastes, just how you project them and how they affect the image of other 911 owners. Like it or not, we are grouped together in the public eye.

 

Hahahahahaha this is amazing, pure gold!

As they say, opinions are like @$$holes

 

In my own defense I'll say I just moved to a 911 after owning my Boxster for 9 years.

(Ron Swanson voice)
I'll also say that I did a lot of manly things to it like 3.4 engine swap, coil overs, etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=8s&v...be&app=desktop

 

Love it:

Guy: "its a Porsche"
Gal: "Sir, its a Boxster"

 

... and if that's your criteria, your comment about Caymans and Boxsters is all the more ridiculous. The mechanic recommended the Cayman based on performance, ride, ease of maintenance, etc. -- all qualities you claim to extol. I chose the 911 because I wanted space in-cockpit for a small cooler for road trips and because getting out of the Boxster felt like I was undressing.

... and the Boxster/Cayman are true Porsches. They meet every one of the characteristics you claim to judge on. Your focus on what is stamped on the parts instead of how the parts fit together and work together just shows a shallow appreciation attempting to masquerade as a "car guy". You may be a great guy but you come off as the epitome of the P-car guy everyone hates -- including other P-car owners and aficionados.

 

Damm...i'm going to call my insurance for a quote on a 07 VW 997. maybe i get a discount!!!!!

I think you just got trolled by your friend.

 

This thread is a waste of time. I don't g a **** what op thinks or drives. gmab!