ditto (damn the 10 character limit)

 

Now that's funny, great timing Judge!

 

Your avatar is HOT!!!

 

Nothing has gone to my head, and I never compared an X51 to a CGT (something in your head must be missing, because you missed the premis of this thread). Read over, and over, and over again, if necessary. R&T lists the 997S and 996TT with the same 1/4 mile time (the TT is going faster, so the TT wins longer distances; likely wins on rolling starts and uphill routes). The 997S is faster 0-60. The X51 has more torque and more horsepower than the 997S at every RPM level. I think they are in the same league.

 

Seriously man, Road and track number are not something someone should use to support an argument. Sounds like somthing a stupid lawyer would do .

 

What kind of question is that? You witnessed the conditions described so dont you think it is obviously plausable for it to happen? Im not sure what kind of answer you are expecting here, you've admited or seemed to understand that the hp weight etc of the GT 2 makes it faster than a 997S x51 that kicks it from 355 to 381 - no stratospheric figure here. If you are asking if you didnt get "walked on" because the other driver might have been far inferior then absolutely. Same driver the Gt2 will walk on 997sx51 everytime. I really hope this answers your question.

 

WHAT!? The club coupe isn't as fast as the GT2? But i just drove one on the track and lap the GT2 time after time after time and beat some F50 and CGT as well.

Wait, that was in a video game......

Why not just line the 2 cars up asap and race them. Easy, simple, beautiful.

Btw Happy Valentines Day!!

The determination of ************ is not healthy for those who are single so go out and enjoy yourself PEACE!

 

I have a lot more faith in R&T than all the meaningless jabber from unknown know-it-alls. Most of the people who have commented have neither an X51 or a GT2, and have NOTHING to support their proclamations.

I decided to look at R&T and here is what they say. Believe it or not; but it is more objective than anything else offered.

GT2 (8/01) - $188k, 456hp, 3.6 = 0-60, 8.9 = 0-100, 11.9/123 = 1/4 mile.
TT (11/00) - $118k, 155hp, 4.0 = 0-60, 9.2 = 0-100, 12.4/115 = 1/4 mile.
GT3 (1/04) - $100k, 380hp, 4.2 = 0-60, 9.5 = 0-100, 12.4/114 = 1/4 mile.
997S (3/05) - $91.5k, 355hp, 3.9=0-60, 9.6 = 0-100, 12.3/115 = 1/4 mile.

CC X51 - $99.1k, 381hp (no other data published). I offer someone else's opinion about the X51 vs. 997S: http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...d.php?t=234185. I should also offer that I have driven the 997, 997S and CGT. I have not driven the GT2, GT3 or TT (but I think 02Barebones and I will have to trade cars for a drive). One drive in the 997S and CGT does not make me an expert on them, but the CGT was "unbelieveable," and I can knowingly say the X51 does NOT compare to a CGT in ANY way. That was an amazing car.

I agree with the other writer about the 997S. I didn't notice a lot of difference between my old 997 and a 997S. I think the X51 is night and day.

BIZ49, I didn't have a question; I reported about an experience and was looking for feedback. I don't like feedback that makes a proclamation without something to support it, and that is why this thread got "hostile." Hostility isn't my goal either since we are all Porsche people. GMG and Fabryce are track guys and know these cars; I think he'd have a lot of experience to offer. Since he sells stuff (and I'm a customer), he likely doesn't want to offend anyone so he might be keeping quite.

There are a lot of us who meet up on Saturdays and I hope this leads to some car swapping so I can stop getting hammered (which is great when it's supported) and more people with "experience" can chime in.

 

Guys... crewson is not saying his CC is faster than a GT2.

And given his last post, one can assume a similar % error for each of the tested cars... so add the X51, and his EXPERIENCE is not too far off, and I believe it's quite plausible.

 

I agree....a properly driven X51 Carrera S is pretty much there with an improperly driven GT2...in this case, driving skills closed the gap* Don't worry, you guys beloved high and mighty GT2's reputation is still intact.

 

What is funny is your analogy that a properly driven 997S is quicker than an improperly driven GT2, no **** genius. A well driven stock Honda Accord will beat a poorly driven 997S. Your argument is stupid as hell.

If so an so is driven at it's max and so an so is driven at it's worst than blah blah. Pure genius.

Like I said, I have driven both quite a bit and if you put the same driver behind the wheel of each car the driver will tell ya that the GT2 is on a different planet, I have been there done that.

You guys keep talking about armchair QB's yet you rely on what the mags say which is an absolute joke.

Christian

 

I never said the CC was faster. What I said was that he passed me and we both punched it up to triple digit. I did not catch him; but I didn't lose ground either. I was expecting him to pull away from me -- hard.

I believe the TT and the GT2 will perform better versus the CC after you hit 100 mph; but up to 100, we had similar performance.

p.s. My statement was based on my one experience. The joke is when people make proclamations without anything to support their position. You fit that catagory. The magazine information is a lot more reliable than your unsubstantiated BS. I think that is why the armchair comment was made by whoever made it.

 

But your entire premis is false. You are assuming there have been vihement definitive statements saying the 997 S w/ X51 is faster than a GT2. No such thing has been said by crewson. EXPERIENCE is what he was talking about... this was an actual drive, when things aren't perfect. No computer was driving both cars. Therefore Kevin D's logic is perfeclty acceptable because humans were driving. And we know the guy in the GT2 wasn't trying to lose-- he still pulled on the 997, just not too hard. There is nothing wrong with stating that at all.

 

And NOBODY is trying to trash a GT2, GT3, CGT or any other car...

 

I clearly said that my space ship should be slower than his space ship but that for whatever reason we were even going in to warp nine!