Originally Posted by Benjamin Choi

why bother to compare a modded car to a stock car?

the 997S is clearly faster in the straights and in the corners (no doubt about it) than the M3. you started modding.... who cares.

Originally Posted by spyder997s

While I support the stock vs stock comparo's, I just think its usually pointless to compare a stock vs modded car; unless its something really ridiculous. Since the runs between a stock m3 and a stock 997s yield the same result w/ 997s' pulling slightly ahead, I think the point has been made: An m3 w/ a little more umph may be able to pass a 997s. Fine. The same could be said of a modded 997s vs a modded m3. The comparisons between these cars at this level are kind of pointless.

I like the stock vs modded comparisons that are ridiculous; for example: stock Enzo versus heavily modded SLK55 AMG w/ SLR engine! Stock Carrera GT vs modded c6 Z06!

I think the next comparison should be a 997TT vs heavily modded m3! That may prove something!

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Actually most of them have ran in the high 12's, this is due to traction mostly. They will walk a 997S easily from a roll.




Couple corrections here. The two that ran in the 11's are stage 3 cars, one had a 75 shot as well. The other was on boost only. The times are deceiving as on the highway they both really shine. One raped a stage 2 996 TT. The other Stage 3+++ B5 S4's.

The 12.1 run was actually Scott, Divexxtreme a moderator here and on M3forum as well, very knowledgable about cars in general, I agree he's a straight shooter as well and has helped me alot with info on my car. I'm suprised he hasn't chimmed in on this thread.

The 12.32 at 111 was Lee Mathews, a freak of a driver, the car was a modded N/A car, NO SC, gears, software, intake, pullies DR's and 3200 lbs. or so, completely stock exhaust though.

Both the 12.4X runs were with Stage 2 Super Chargers.



The best time is a 11.9, but the trap is in the 120's, also zero traction on that car, I saw that run in person. In the 1/4 mile the 997 def has a chance due to a far supierior launch against a stage 1 and 2, stage 3 will win, wheelspin or not.



I thought the 997S weighed 3100 lbs. the M3 weighs 3415, with some light weight mods around 3200 or so. Last night, my car lost to Allen's (Srtswpr996's), 997 2S on the highway by 2 CL's at the most and from a 2nd gear roll I even got a slight jump and was even up to third. Still a decent pull by the 997, but I was suprised I hanged with him.

Yes the 997 is unreal for what it is and it shines from a dig, and the traps are unreal, but check out this video with a bone stock M3, a High Compression M3 that ran a 12.3 at 112, and that same SC'd M3 that ran the 12.1 at 117. On the highway different story, the 997S would get destroyed, and the BHS High Comp should beat it as well, 1/4 mile comes down to the driver a highway roll tells us which car is actually faster.

http://www.e46psi.com/link/click.php...n=go&to=video9

Conditons play a roll too, I've seen a few guys run high 12's with their 997's at traps under 110, so the 12.2 and 12.3, although phenomenal, is not the norm, and handful of N/A heavily to lightly modded and 1 stock M3 have ran in the 12's too and that's not the norm.

I'm with you though, a 997 will walk a N/A M3 most of the time but a SC'd M3 is faster than a 997S and a High Compression car can beat it as well.

Originally Posted by spyder997s

PorscheC4, I agree that it is good feedback on this forum, but that's because we're humoring it probably because we've run into it in the past. While it is flattering that m3 owners compare their cars to ours, I don't see porsche owners doing the same thing (I never say: Wow! I beat that BMW/Mercedes).

I'm more impressed when I burn a Ferrari off the road (in the rare event I'm not busy looking at it and enjoying the sound of the exhaust!)

Originally Posted by Kevin034

Just fyi, "Mliner" is a well known IDIOT amongst the M3 community.

Originally Posted by PorscheC4

I wouldnt say it pathetic man. your car is just faster. its that simple. I mean most of the SC'd m3s I have gotten the chance to see(stage 1, 440 crank hp package) run mostly low to mid 12's. On dragtimes.com for instance, other than the two that ran 11.972 and 11.980 at 123 and 125, both of which were stage 2+ and then the stage 1s that ran: 12.199 at 117, 12.32 at 111, 12.41 at 116, 12.43 at 119. i dont find these cars to be for the most part faster than a 997S. Yes i think they are faster, but not by too much. Considering that most of these are dynoing around 390 or so to the wheels and have gutted out some of the car, and the 997s dynos about 310 to the wheels and weights more than these cars and car run mid 12's at 112-115 from what ive seen. the advantage is def on the m3s side and i think with a good driver the 997s can keep up with most of these sc'd m3s. so give yourself some credit man, youre a good driver and have a sick car that is def faster than a fully modded NA m3.

Originally Posted by SCM3

Sorry but a SC M3 will destroy a 997S.




Didnt make much sense. Your talking about BEST times for a 997S driven by Pro's with magazines at probably very good tracks. Then you are comparing it to only a handful of SC M3's that have made it to the track, none of which were raced anywhere near there greatest potential. No the 997S doesnt defy everything.

Originally Posted by PorscheC4

I dont think a SC m3 will destroy a 997S, at least not a stage 1. Well anyway, we already said we are comparing a stock car to a modded car. lets compare a Stage 1 SC'd 997 or SC'd 997S vs a stage 1 SC'd m3. M3 gets crushed in that contest hands down. If you didnt know, the 997 SC runs high 11's at 123+ mph with only 470 hp and 364 tw. The 997S SC runs mid 11's at 124+ with 475 hp and 370 tq. Those numbers are just plain sick. And they were driven by average drivers, and will prob pull on even your 650+ hp m3 and any other stage 3+ to speak of. not to say your car isnt a good car, because ive seen you car and the thing is nice, except im not a fan of red cars, but the body work etc are very nice. Just the SC'd 997 911's are extremely fast and pull high traps. Curious, whats your m3 weigh? I know you did the CF roof so wondering what with all the CSL parts and the roof and all others bring your weight to?

Originally Posted by SCM3

Yes it will. Well lets compare the M6 to the 997S then, cuz a little 60k M3 isnt such a great comparison 100k 997S. I would love to race a SC'd 997S. That 997 was driven properly, i ran a 11.9@123 with a 1.9 60 foot at one of the worst tracks in the country. Im sorry but theres no way that 997 would pull on me. My M3 weighs about 3250.