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Old Jul 13, 2007 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by NoRoom4Error
I know in California it seems everyone drives them... but they are somewhat rare here in Virginia. My guess is everyone is strapped making their house payments here.
I see multiple 911s every day. The rare cars in NoVA are Astons and RS4s.
 
Old Jul 14, 2007 | 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Luthor
That's because you live in La Jolla!
Yeah, seriously. Go over to Kearny Mesa or Sorrento Valley, you won't see another 997, much less a 911. La Jolla just has a really high concentration of $$$ machinery. I mean, I saw my 1st Veyrons in La Jolla, and a 997 is the down payment on that car
 
Old Jul 14, 2007 | 10:08 AM
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Observe that in the auto industry, Exclusive = losing money. About the only exception would be Ferrari. Name your other exclusive brands: Bentley, RR, Aston Martin, etc. They aren't in control of their own futures.

When Porsche was Exclusive up to 1996, they were getting close to bankruptcy. The company likely would have been bought by another.

Porsche was smart to formulate a way to build cheaper and retain the essential driving experience we love so much. The Boxster was the first model to get them over to financial stability. Then came the 996 and so forth.

Too many Porsche drivers around these days? Just do the math. In 1995, there were fewer owners who could afford a $70K 993, than there are owners in 2007 who can afford a $70K 997.
 
Old Jul 14, 2007 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverBlue
Too many Porsche drivers around these days? Just do the math. In 1995, there were fewer owners who could afford a $70K 993, than there are owners in 2007 who can afford a $70K 997.
That is exactly right - not to mention HELOCs, creative financing, etc. that wasn't as prevalent in the early-mid 90s. Those people that buy a Porsche (especially a 911) for a "status symbol" are missing the boat. People should be buying 911s for the experience - buy a used Aston or SL for the status.
 
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I don't think we need to worry about the exclusiveness of the Pcars when Porsche has decided to buy off a big chuck of shares from VW. Soon, we'll see the 911s back to their original state. I love Pcars for two reasons (1) they are the best out there for the money in terms of driving experience, (2) they are unique looking sports car and will always put a smile on your face when you drive it on the road =]
 
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exclusiveness does matter, but not the most important factor of the Pcars. It's complete cr*p to say it meant nothing to you when you had decided to attain one for all the years you had waited. It might mean lesser for some people and more to people who value the "status" aspect of the car.
 
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Originally Posted by bonn997
exclusiveness does matter, but not the most important factor of the Pcars. It's complete cr*p to say it meant nothing to you when you had decided to attain one for all the years you had waited. It might mean lesser for some people and more to people who value the "status" aspect of the car.
I wanted one because of how it looked and what it stood for in the pantheon of sports cars for so long. I never cared for one second about how impressed people were or what people thought about me for driving it...
 
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Ya, I only want my friends to witness it haha. but definitely not trying to get more attention on the street. (the reason I will not go for the Fcars/Lcars)
For me, driving a car this epic is a once in a life time experience. I want my friends to enjoy the car as much as I do when they get to sit in it. As for my first 911, I'm going to get it along with my engineer friend. He's so into sports cars especially the 911s =]
It's just our childhood dream to own one and we're getting one asap when the facelift is out :P
 
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i want that exclusiveness back for the Pcars!! take out cayenne, cayman and boost the price of the boxster a bit at least!!! lol
I just don't get Porsche nowadays, they have like 40% shares of VW, why do they still need Cayenne, boxster/cayman to boost up their sales?
sorry, but the Cayenne is one of the main reasons that Porsche is still around to build the almighty 911.
 
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Ya, I only want my friends to witness it haha. but definitely not trying to get more attention on the street. (the reason I will not go for the Fcars/Lcars)
For me, driving a car this epic is a once in a life time experience. I want my friends to enjoy the car as much as I do when they get to sit in it. As for my first 911, I'm going to get it along with my engineer friend. He's so into sports cars especially the 911s =]
It's just our childhood dream to own one and we're getting one asap when the facelift is out :P
I have to agree with this... Sharing your love with friends/family doesn't fall into the "showing off/status symbol" group I'm referring to. I know people that buy expensive cars/watches/etc. just to get oohs and aahs from strangers...
 
Old Jul 15, 2007 | 09:17 AM
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Hey Nick why would anyone want to kiss the *** of of some sleezy Ferrari saleman just to pay $50k min. over ofr a car
 
Old Jul 15, 2007 | 12:09 PM
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Thanks Chris!
You're a true P-car aficionado!
and i gotta say, i love your new RS4 :P
 
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Everyone also seems to forget that Porsche are selling more cars to Asia than ever before so although they sell more the actual numbers sold into one market may not have increased by as much as you think. Also the aspects of owning a Porsche that appeal to people dipping there feet into sport ownership is the fact that to keep a 911 on the road is considerabley cheaper than a Lambourghini or a Ferrari. Part of the reason for this is Porsches benefit from larger economies of scale than the other cars.

As Chris said for many owning these cars is not about impressing your friends. It is about a passion that people have had for a long time, it is about getting as close to owning a supercar as is possible to the average man. That note doesnt mean necessarily because they are the cheapest but also because they have much lower servicing costs, they have much better fuel consumption and more importantly than all those for most people is the fact that they are still very practical cars.

If you think Porsche have problems in many European countries now BMW 3 series are more common than a car like the Ford Mondeo by a considerable margin
 

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Old Jul 16, 2007 | 06:55 PM
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i'm so glad that porsche is mass-producing the 911 or else punk like me wont be able to afford one. you should sell me ur 997 C2S for cheap asap cuz owning it is a disgrace to true car enthusiast like yourself . It's about time to get rid of my ghetto 996 and upgrade to a 997

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think of this... you just paid $100k plus for your porsche, you're cruising down main street, and a punk in a $15k-$20k Boxster drives by and waives at you... I CAN'T WAIT TO SELL MY 997 C2S CAB.!!!
 
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wow, that is a lot of 911's.... good for the used market.. lower prices.. = ( but I haven't seen good used prices. Dealers must be making a killing on their margins
 


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