http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/16/r...e-nurburgring/

I was wrong! It had R Compound tires, reprogrammed transmission, increase power, and reprogrammed launch control. Wow .

 

Within the automotive industry this strange and alien phenomenon is referred to as 'automotive development'.

Sorry... I don't mean to shock those GM pundits out there who've never come across the term before but as horrifying as it may seem, automotive development really does take place. (Yikes !!!!)

Manufacturers who engage in this strange activity (some consider it witchcraft) may periodically upgrade their products to keep ahead of their competitors, address technical flaws and improve on their existing technology.

This is all too crazy !!!!!! I'm spinning out man !!!!!

The first deliveries of Euro and Australian spec GT-R's occurred in April of this year. All of these cars are sporting (you guessed it) upgraded Dunlops on all base model cars, revised suspension, 5 extra ps and a revised transmission controller with LC2. All 2010 USDM GT-R's will sport the exact same specification.

Beware I tell you, automotive development is coming to get you!

 

I find it amazing that us GM pundits haven't heard of this "automotive development". How many other sport cars have a 50 year history where they have continuously evolved the same FR v8 layout? The only automotive development of the base GTR that I've heard of was the re-calibrated launch control and transmission reprogramming. Now the Nissan spec V has a 5 hp increase not the base model. Has this automotive development rendered the GTR spec V obsolete by the base model?

 

"Automotive development", so that's the new term for cheatin'. Nice back pedaling. So it looks like it was done on a R-compound tire.

 

Hahahha.

Autblog re the 2010 Nissan GT-R:

"Supercars have always existed to keep our passion for automobiles on constant boil, and supercars that don't crest the six-figure mark are the best kind. They're almost attainable. The Nissan GT-R remains that way for 2010 with a price bump to help pay for a few upgrades from the factory. The base model will begin at $80,790 and the Premium model at $83,040. According to Edmunds.com, the new MSRPs are both $3,950 more than what you would pay for a 2009 model.

What does an extra four grand get you? A lot actually, not the least of which is a 5-horsepower bump for the twin-turbo 3.8-liter V6, which nets a new grand total of 485 hp. Other additions include a retuned suspension with redesigned Bilstein shocks, an upgraded braking system with more rigid brake lines, standard front seat- and roof-mounted side curtain airbags for the base GT-R model, standard wheels for the GT-R with a darker finish and "near-black" metallic wheels for the Premium model. A new color is also available, Pearl White, and you get a polished front bumper now when ordering your car in Super Silver.

Oh, and there's one more thing: Nissan has given the GT-R new Transmission Control Module programming"

 

gp900bs,
So they revised some shock valving put stainless brake lines and added ~1% power. Great. I don't hate the GTR. I think you should support whatever manufacture you like with your wallet. I just think that we should all be honest when comparing. That was a great article about the performance and upgrade changes to the GTR. I was surprised to see you post an article about the improvements that didn't mention anything about sticker tires? So with that said was it or was it not a 100% gtr that ran the 7:27 and 7:26 at the Ring?

By the way all manufacturers change their cars somewhat yearly. GM made the factory rear sway bars and shock valving softer in 2007 and 2008 for the z06 to help put the power down coming out of corners. In fact I run a REALLY stiff front sway bar with the factory Z51 rear and can walk just about any Z from a corner.

 

Wow. I could take a crap and make an extra 5 hp. I have a new term for pop culture, "GT-R'd". For exmple, I GT-R'd in my pants went the ZR1 went by me.

 

Where did you see that the tires were R-compounds?

 

I agree that you have every right support any manufacturer you like and whatever anyone might say about the vette, it certainly has made some stellar achievements at the 'ring and elsewhere. I will not deny that.

I just don't dig all the hatred that has been directed at the GT-R.

This is autoblog re. the 2010 GT-R's return to 'ring, posted in Nov. 08:

"The Nissan GT-R has a relationship with the famed Nurburgring in Germany like no other modern car. It has brought the track back into the headlines by taking out much more expensive hardware with a blistering, though unofficial, lap time of 7 minutes, 29 seconds. That number has since been eclipsed by the Corvette ZR1 and Dodge Viper ACR, but remains ahead of the GT2 despite Porsche's accusation that Nissan ran a less-than-stock GT-R. Well, the GT-R in Japan is getting some upgrades for 2010, and Nissan is reportedly headed back to the 'Ring to see what it'll do. The changes include a slight increase in power to 485 PS, or about a 5-horsepower bump, as well as a new compound Dunlop tire and suspension tweaks. Other mods include a larger fuel tank and some very minor cosmetic changes that won't make a damn bit of a difference on the track. Will the GT-R be able to best its 7:29 lap time? We're guessing they wouldn't bother to make the trip if they weren't certain there were at least a couple of tenths to shave off"

 

Click here this will show you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times

 

I want to know who had a running start & who did not. I would want a standing start from the same spot on the track. I have a bit of experience with a GT-R on an empty piece of highway. I left that guy like he was strapped to a pole. It was not even close. This was before any mods. Every single time, I left him there.

 

This test was run by Sportauto, a German automotive publication. All of their laps are timed using flying starts and 20.6km of circuit length (i.e. with a 200m unmeasured length across the manufacturer pit lane entry/exit).

Their lap time runs for the ZR1 and the GT-R used the identical standardised timing technique described above and both cars achieved a 7:38 lap time.

The unfortunate reality about the Nordschleife is that is not an empty piece of highway. People who have not driven the circuit cannot appreciate the monumental vertical loads that chassis undergoes at the 'ring. Making vast quantities of power and being fast in a straight line means little to nothing, unless that power can be used while being tossed around like a cork on the ocean.

Keep in mind that the ZR1 Sportauto used was 12km/h faster than the GT-R down the main straight (even when hindered by the bumpiness of the straight). The GT-R still managed to net the same lap time by being faster through other more difficult sections of the circuit.

Watch the following video. There is a lot of good commentary on the nature of the Nordschleife.

Guided Lap of the 'ring

 

The GT-R was as fast because Horst is afraid of Corvette's, and had more laps in the GT-R.

 

The GT2 is a nice car but at $75K+ more than the ZR1, its only...meh.

 

Same could be said for the ZR-1, at 40k more than the Z06 with the same seats and interior as a base C6.