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http://www.egmcartech.com/2009/12/08...ake-drag-race/
So Motor Trend put together a video of them racing a GT-R verus a Shelby Super Snake.
While I agree that the GT-R is a great car, its 163 horses down from the Super Snake, the Super Snake is lighter, and the Super Snake is built for nothing but pure straight line performance.
And yet according to Motor Trend, the GT-R beats it.
On what? The laws of physics simply push against the GT-R at this point. Either Motor Trend didn't keep their foot down in the Super Snake or the GT-R is tuned.
So Motor Trend put together a video of them racing a GT-R verus a Shelby Super Snake.
While I agree that the GT-R is a great car, its 163 horses down from the Super Snake, the Super Snake is lighter, and the Super Snake is built for nothing but pure straight line performance.
And yet according to Motor Trend, the GT-R beats it.
On what? The laws of physics simply push against the GT-R at this point. Either Motor Trend didn't keep their foot down in the Super Snake or the GT-R is tuned.
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awd(with good tyres)+dual clutch+lots of computers=just press gas and go...
a manual rear wheel drive can't match everytime its factory claimed specs(shift at optimal points,launch perfect,have grip),the gtr can...
americans just make the same cars adding more power,the others put more power and evolve...
porsche turbo pdk for example became faster 0-60 than a pagani zonda...just 20hp more but 997.1 manual with 500hp can't hit 60 in 3.2...there are "other factors"
its that simple!
edit:from a rolling start where the hp factor is more important i believe the mustang would won
edit2!:i have a 200hp(4pot) car and 210hp(v6) car to give you,which do you think is faster?(just to check if hp is all that matters)
a manual rear wheel drive can't match everytime its factory claimed specs(shift at optimal points,launch perfect,have grip),the gtr can...
americans just make the same cars adding more power,the others put more power and evolve...
porsche turbo pdk for example became faster 0-60 than a pagani zonda...just 20hp more but 997.1 manual with 500hp can't hit 60 in 3.2...there are "other factors"
its that simple!
edit:from a rolling start where the hp factor is more important i believe the mustang would won
edit2!:i have a 200hp(4pot) car and 210hp(v6) car to give you,which do you think is faster?(just to check if hp is all that matters)
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That is surprising to me the SS looked calm off the line, and seemed to have a normal gradual acceleration... not what i expected at all, i cant say i doubt motor trend, but the video just doesn't look right.. and according to their dyno numbers the GTR had 412 compared to the SS with 635 hp making it a 223 hp difference.. and i dont care with that much extra hp one would think the race would be AT LEAST somewhat closer than what the video portrayed... but then again i am somewhat biased
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Maybe the Ford was still in the break in period
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anyway the OP should just sent that question to motortrent lets say...?
and see the evolution of cars with pdk and awd and electronics,porsche carrera and turbo its a gen leap...
huydai genesis 2.0 220hp 6.9
mustang v6 210 hp 6.9
auti tt stronic quattro 200hp 4-cylinder 0-60 6.2
hyudai 3.8 v6 308 hp 5.9
mustang gt 4.6 300hp 5.2
audi tts stronic quattro 2.0 270hp 0-60 4,9
i used the TT cause its a somewhat similar position(awd,dualclutch) considering the gtr has lots more power it can keep power and after 60 so thats why it is so favorably reviewed...
is their an american company with dualclutch?(sorry for my lack of knowledge)
and see the evolution of cars with pdk and awd and electronics,porsche carrera and turbo its a gen leap...
huydai genesis 2.0 220hp 6.9
mustang v6 210 hp 6.9
auti tt stronic quattro 200hp 4-cylinder 0-60 6.2
hyudai 3.8 v6 308 hp 5.9
mustang gt 4.6 300hp 5.2
audi tts stronic quattro 2.0 270hp 0-60 4,9
i used the TT cause its a somewhat similar position(awd,dualclutch) considering the gtr has lots more power it can keep power and after 60 so thats why it is so favorably reviewed...
is their an american company with dualclutch?(sorry for my lack of knowledge)
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^^^^^^
I don't know what point you are trying to make about the PDK, but it's not new or an evolution of technilogy. Dual clutch tranmissions originally appeared in Porsche race cars in 1984.
Delco made the first viscuos magnetic shocks that were latter adopted and used by Ferrari. I think that the size wieght and power of the new American sports cars show an emphasis in evolving proven designs versus trying to come up with something completely new.
Magazines articles are garbage. The launch on the mustang was supper tame. THe GTR not only killed the Mustang on the Launch, but walk it the whole way. The driver/ Editor was definately not trying to take the Mustang to the limit.
Below is a pullied terminator cobra (400-450 rwhp) walking a GTR.
<embed src="http://videos.streetfire.net/vidiac....3-9b05003e7109"
I don't know what point you are trying to make about the PDK, but it's not new or an evolution of technilogy. Dual clutch tranmissions originally appeared in Porsche race cars in 1984.
Delco made the first viscuos magnetic shocks that were latter adopted and used by Ferrari. I think that the size wieght and power of the new American sports cars show an emphasis in evolving proven designs versus trying to come up with something completely new.
Magazines articles are garbage. The launch on the mustang was supper tame. THe GTR not only killed the Mustang on the Launch, but walk it the whole way. The driver/ Editor was definately not trying to take the Mustang to the limit.
Below is a pullied terminator cobra (400-450 rwhp) walking a GTR.
<embed src="http://videos.streetfire.net/vidiac....3-9b05003e7109"
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http://www.egmcartech.com/2009/12/08...ake-drag-race/
So Motor Trend put together a video of them racing a GT-R verus a Shelby Super Snake.
While I agree that the GT-R is a great car, its 163 horses down from the Super Snake, the Super Snake is lighter, and the Super Snake is built for nothing but pure straight line performance.
And yet according to Motor Trend, the GT-R beats it.
On what? The laws of physics simply push against the GT-R at this point. Either Motor Trend didn't keep their foot down in the Super Snake or the GT-R is tuned.
So Motor Trend put together a video of them racing a GT-R verus a Shelby Super Snake.
While I agree that the GT-R is a great car, its 163 horses down from the Super Snake, the Super Snake is lighter, and the Super Snake is built for nothing but pure straight line performance.
And yet according to Motor Trend, the GT-R beats it.
On what? The laws of physics simply push against the GT-R at this point. Either Motor Trend didn't keep their foot down in the Super Snake or the GT-R is tuned.
Well the GTR has NONE!
The Super Snake DOES!
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^^^^^^
I don't know what point you are trying to make about the PDK, but it's not new or an evolution of technilogy. Dual clutch tranmissions originally appeared in Porsche race cars in 1984.
Delco made the first viscuos magnetic shocks that were latter adopted and used by Ferrari. I think that the size wieght and power of the new American sports cars show an emphasis in evolving proven designs versus trying to come up with something completely new.
Magazines articles are garbage. The launch on the mustang was supper tame. THe GTR not only killed the Mustang on the Launch, but walk it the whole way. The driver/ Editor was definately not trying to take the Mustang to the limit.
Below is a pullied terminator cobra (400-450 rwhp) walking a GTR.
<embed src="http://videos.streetfire.net/vidiac....3-9b05003e7109" width="428" height="352" allowFullScreen="true" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer"></embed><br/><a href="http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Nissan-R35-GTR-VS-03-Roll_179571.htm">Nissan+R35+GTR+VS+03+Cobra+Roll+R ace</a>
I don't know what point you are trying to make about the PDK, but it's not new or an evolution of technilogy. Dual clutch tranmissions originally appeared in Porsche race cars in 1984.
Delco made the first viscuos magnetic shocks that were latter adopted and used by Ferrari. I think that the size wieght and power of the new American sports cars show an emphasis in evolving proven designs versus trying to come up with something completely new.
Magazines articles are garbage. The launch on the mustang was supper tame. THe GTR not only killed the Mustang on the Launch, but walk it the whole way. The driver/ Editor was definately not trying to take the Mustang to the limit.
Below is a pullied terminator cobra (400-450 rwhp) walking a GTR.
<embed src="http://videos.streetfire.net/vidiac....3-9b05003e7109" width="428" height="352" allowFullScreen="true" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer"></embed><br/><a href="http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Nissan-R35-GTR-VS-03-Roll_179571.htm">Nissan+R35+GTR+VS+03+Cobra+Roll+R ace</a>
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dual clutch not mechaniced automatics yes i know the bmw 3 series car and vwgolf 1.4 dsg...but i cant see them,just paste the link from the browser...
i asked if american companies if they offer them cause i wasnt aware...
even if you dont i believe you,im not gonna spent time defending mototrend the post was in nissan gtr section and since the video said"lots of whellspin" i tried to explain how an awd drive car will benefit against a 2wd...!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYHty1oF2bA
here is a gtr against a 6xx hp car,maybe they rig events i dont know...
i asked if american companies if they offer them cause i wasnt aware...
even if you dont i believe you,im not gonna spent time defending mototrend the post was in nissan gtr section and since the video said"lots of whellspin" i tried to explain how an awd drive car will benefit against a 2wd...!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYHty1oF2bA
here is a gtr against a 6xx hp car,maybe they rig events i dont know...
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It's a drag race one car is basically an automatic, the other a manual, one spins off the line the other doesn't, the results should not be suprising. Remember the guy in the Super Snake has to have a whole lot of ability to launch as well as the GTR, thios particular driver didn't. The GTR ran well, but I'd still take the Shelby over it.
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Racing a car with that much power and torque that only comes in a stick leaves alot in the hands of the driver and for whatever reason (lack of talent, limited time with the car, etc.), the driver just wasn't able to run anything close to the car's potential. Between the SOFT launch and the nose visibly dipping between shifts, I doubt that pass was even a mid 12 by the SS. I'm embarrassed for the MT Driver.
Any competent drag racer behind the wheel of a SS should easily be able to best a stock GT-R's 1/4 mile time. Maybe not every pass, but certainly his best pass of the day should beat the GT-R's (and that's not a slap to the GT-R at all). The GT-R just has better technology for "taking the driver out of the equation" and Ford/Shelby doesn't offer the car with an auto.
That said, I'd still take the GT-R given the choice.
Any competent drag racer behind the wheel of a SS should easily be able to best a stock GT-R's 1/4 mile time. Maybe not every pass, but certainly his best pass of the day should beat the GT-R's (and that's not a slap to the GT-R at all). The GT-R just has better technology for "taking the driver out of the equation" and Ford/Shelby doesn't offer the car with an auto.
That said, I'd still take the GT-R given the choice.
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How is the new gt500 easily slower than the 430hp corvette. I Know weight matters but 4.5 to sixty and losing in the quater by over 0.5-0.7 seconds is an absolute joke. Iwht that power it should be 4.0-4.1. An M3 with DKG will SMOKE a gt500 which also makes ZERO sense. Those cars are def overrated power wise. I still love them but they should be faster.