Aston Martin DB7, DB9, DBS, Vantage V8, Vanquish, and Classic models

SC Comp w/ Ford

Thread Tools
 
Rate Thread
 
Old Aug 23, 2010 | 07:54 AM
  #1  
Michael 996TT's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,079
From: St Petersburg, FL
Rep Power: 64
Michael 996TT is infamous around these parts
Cool SC Comp w/ Ford

Here is the article - "The 2011 Mustang just got racier with the announcement today of an all-new 2.3 liter twin-screw supercharger.
Available for the first time to the public, the Ford Racing twin-screw unit can produce 624 horsepower SAE at 6,900rpm and 536 pound-feet SAE at 4,700rpm when mated to the all-new 5.0 liter 4V TiVCT V-8 engine.
"Superchargers are the ultimate in power upgrades for Mustang enthusiasts," George Goddu, Ford Racing Performance Group Manager said, adding that production calibration of the twin-independent variable cam timing was incredibly complex--taking engineers 19 months to perfect.
"After more than 100 hours of accelerated durability testing, the entire Ford Racing package performed flawlessly," said Dev Saberwal, Ford Racing's lead calibration engineer. "Ford Racing performance parts are subjected to extensive testing to ensure optimum performance across a broad range of conditions."
The supercharger is available in three levels including: a 525 horsepower kit with a 12/12 warranty; a 624 horsepower kit, and a tuner kit for racing and extreme enthusiasts.
The kits add 47 pounds to the weight of the car. The kits range in cost from $6,499 for black and $8,099 for polished chrome."

That is a lot of engineering and a nice price ... of course there are a lot more Mustangs on the road ... even if you are hitting a smaller "racing core" ... just some follow up for thought from previous threads ...
 
Old Aug 23, 2010 | 09:08 AM
  #2  
Racer_X's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,266
From: whereabouts unknown
Rep Power: 120
Racer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud of
$6,500? If only there was something comparable for the Vantage. I, and I'm sure many other Vantage owners, would pick one up in a heartbeat.
 
Old Aug 23, 2010 | 09:09 AM
  #3  
sgt d's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 112
From: Houston / Afghanistan
Rep Power: 20
sgt d is infamous around these parts
coming from a mustang guy keep in mind, this kit price is high because it is being marketed through ford. the aftermarket like kenne bell and whipple have even larger displacement blowers that will yield more power and for equal or lesser cost.

my twin turbo kit from hellion only cost me 6k and i did not have to have all of the same supporting mods the twin screws needed and it yielded way more power and ridiculous torque. i understand that it costs a manufacturer a bit of money to make something new however the gt500 market is not much larger than this market yet the prices are not as near outrageous as i see for this car. i can understand a higher ccost to a degree but 20k for a sc kit is nutso..................
 
Old Aug 23, 2010 | 10:09 AM
  #4  
Racer_X's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,266
From: whereabouts unknown
Rep Power: 120
Racer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud of
I know, maybe we should approach these guys and ask them to build us a less expensive supercharger. We could take a poll of who is willing to buy one and take the tally to the company as proof of how many sales they could make.

Oh, almost forgot, we tried that and nearly everyone who replied "yes" was nowhere to be found when it came to actually buy.
 
Old Aug 23, 2010 | 10:16 AM
  #5  
sgt d's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 112
From: Houston / Afghanistan
Rep Power: 20
sgt d is infamous around these parts
that is because the cost was too much to bare when it came down to crunch time.

i am currently in someone's ear trying to talk them into creating a turbo kit however right now his resources are on expanding his efforts beyond mustangs. if anyone would care to go this route and help bend the vendor's arm then let me know. i am a hellion turbo guy from now on!
 
Old Aug 23, 2010 | 10:21 AM
  #6  
Racer_X's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,266
From: whereabouts unknown
Rep Power: 120
Racer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud of
Originally Posted by sgt d
that is because the cost was too much
Well, if that was the case, they should not have answered "yes" to the poll in the first place.
 
Old Aug 23, 2010 | 11:32 AM
  #7  
Tahoe M3's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 849
From: South Florida
Rep Power: 58
Tahoe M3 is just really niceTahoe M3 is just really niceTahoe M3 is just really niceTahoe M3 is just really niceTahoe M3 is just really nice
Guys, guys...come on. Be serious...are you really comparing the Aston Martin aftermarket to that of the Mustang??

First of all, if you want cheap speed, there are plenty of ways to go, but none of them start with Aston Martin.

Second of all, there is no comparison between volume of sales between Mustangs and Vantages. In 2009, there were more than 91,000 Mustangs sold. The same year, Aston Martin sold 4,000 cars, only some of which were Vantages and only some of which were sold in the US. Figure about 1,000 here maybe. Even the GT500 Mustang is being limited to "only" 5500 units this year...still 5.5x as many compared to the Vantage, but really like 50+ to 1 including the GTs.

For a real comparison, look at Heffner Performance and their $30k turbo Gallardo kit or Hennessey and their kits. You're dreaming if you think you're going to find anything for this car in the $6,000 range. You might as well sell your Vantage, buy a Mustang, and supercharge it.

It's no skin off my back...I'm out there enjoying my car. But if you're not seriously interested in a kit...and realistic about what it would cost, then just look at other options...NA mods or other cheaper cars. But to compare to a factory Mustang kit is just silly. Not only does Ford have vast resources of cash and R&D time at their disposal, they can afford to take a loss on every kit just to have it out there for bragging rights if they wanted.
 
Old Aug 23, 2010 | 11:32 PM
  #8  
GT650-25's Avatar
Registered User
15 Year Member
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 2,213
From: Virginia, Boca and LA
Rep Power: 123
GT650-25 has a brilliant futureGT650-25 has a brilliant futureGT650-25 has a brilliant futureGT650-25 has a brilliant futureGT650-25 has a brilliant futureGT650-25 has a brilliant futureGT650-25 has a brilliant futureGT650-25 has a brilliant futureGT650-25 has a brilliant futureGT650-25 has a brilliant futureGT650-25 has a brilliant future
agree with Tahoe...The numbers of superchargers that are sold for the vantage VS the mustang are not comparable...
 
Old Aug 23, 2010 | 11:42 PM
  #9  
sgt d's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 112
From: Houston / Afghanistan
Rep Power: 20
sgt d is infamous around these parts
i do not completely disagree however i am not using the 4.6 or 5.0 mustang as an example but rather the 5.4 shelby which is produced in much lower numbers than the standard mustang and requiring it's own r&d.
 
Old Aug 24, 2010 | 04:31 AM
  #10  
Tahoe M3's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 849
From: South Florida
Rep Power: 58
Tahoe M3 is just really niceTahoe M3 is just really niceTahoe M3 is just really niceTahoe M3 is just really niceTahoe M3 is just really nice
Originally Posted by sgt d
i do not completely disagree however i am not using the 4.6 or 5.0 mustang as an example but rather the 5.4 shelby which is produced in much lower numbers than the standard mustang and requiring it's own r&d.
Well as I pointed out, the GT500 is still at least 5.5x as common, but that engine is already supercharged from the factory...so who needs a supercharger kit for it? Besides, the 5.4 is used in various truck and SUV models across Ford and Lincoln...probably in the 100,000 range.

No comparison. This is an exotic, not a cheap mass-produced sports coupe.
 
Old Aug 24, 2010 | 06:13 AM
  #11  
sgt d's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 112
From: Houston / Afghanistan
Rep Power: 20
sgt d is infamous around these parts
the program for the gt500 is not a standard lincoln navigator motor.............

hell at this point we will solve the chicken or the egg debate before we see eye to eye on this one.............. as a fellow modder i would think you would understand where i am coming from.
 
Old Aug 24, 2010 | 07:50 AM
  #12  
Tahoe M3's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 849
From: South Florida
Rep Power: 58
Tahoe M3 is just really niceTahoe M3 is just really niceTahoe M3 is just really niceTahoe M3 is just really niceTahoe M3 is just really nice
I certainly understand the desire to mod the car, but you have to be realistic. This isn't a Mustang so you can't think in those terms. You don't see the Ferrari guys looking at the Chevy parts catalog for ideas.

You're not going to find a supercharger kit for this car for $6,000 unless it's a used resale. I spent more than that on my wheels...to which you might say I should have gone to Pep Boys to get some steel wheels with chrome hubcaps for much less.

And really, if you go with a crappy kit and your engine blows, a new engine is going to be a lot more than $20k. You can't go out and pick up a Ford crate motor for $2k for this car.
 
Old Aug 24, 2010 | 07:51 AM
  #13  
rmrmd1956's Avatar
Registered User
20 Year Member
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 776
From: 3rd Planet
Rep Power: 59
rmrmd1956 is a glorious beacon of lightrmrmd1956 is a glorious beacon of lightrmrmd1956 is a glorious beacon of lightrmrmd1956 is a glorious beacon of lightrmrmd1956 is a glorious beacon of lightrmrmd1956 is a glorious beacon of light
Originally Posted by Tahoe M3
Guys, guys...come on. Be serious...are you really comparing the Aston Martin aftermarket to that of the Mustang??

First of all, if you want cheap speed, there are plenty of ways to go, but none of them start with Aston Martin.

Second of all, there is no comparison between volume of sales between Mustangs and Vantages. In 2009, there were more than 91,000 Mustangs sold. The same year, Aston Martin sold 4,000 cars, only some of which were Vantages and only some of which were sold in the US. Figure about 1,000 here maybe. Even the GT500 Mustang is being limited to "only" 5500 units this year...still 5.5x as many compared to the Vantage, but really like 50+ to 1 including the GTs.

For a real comparison, look at Heffner Performance and their $30k turbo Gallardo kit or Hennessey and their kits. You're dreaming if you think you're going to find anything for this car in the $6,000 range. You might as well sell your Vantage, buy a Mustang, and supercharge it.

It's no skin off my back...I'm out there enjoying my car. But if you're not seriously interested in a kit...and realistic about what it would cost, then just look at other options...NA mods or other cheaper cars. But to compare to a factory Mustang kit is just silly. Not only does Ford have vast resources of cash and R&D time at their disposal, they can afford to take a loss on every kit just to have it out there for bragging rights if they wanted.
Touche. I've been enjoying my supercharged vantage for over 18 months. I love spanking Porsche turbos!
 
Old Aug 24, 2010 | 08:04 AM
  #14  
sgt d's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 112
From: Houston / Afghanistan
Rep Power: 20
sgt d is infamous around these parts
by no means am i saying i am going to go to pepboys and get a tornado for my air intake..lol.. nor do i think this car should be saddled with ****ty parts.

the comparison to a ferrari is overboard though, how much of this car is not a frankenstein jaguar, volvo, ford creation. i would be interested to see the build specs of the blower kits for this car as compared to those mass produced kits. without knowing i would venture to say that the case is the same and the internals as well. the only hurdle i see with this car that differs from a mass produced manufacturer is the tuning which in my mind could be over come by a stand alone system.

forgive me if i am wrong but isn't this engine a jaguar motor that is bored over? does jaguar not have factory supercharged vehicles? i am not saying that a kit for this car would ever be 6k and rightfully so it should not, there is a reason vehicles like this are exclusive however i find it hard to believe that there is not a more cost efficient way to do this.

end answer is to get the build info on the blower and compare to what is on the mass produced market and see if there is a difference. i will try to do some research but the afghani internet is not the best at times.

and please, no, do not put cragers on your am..lol..
 
Old Aug 24, 2010 | 11:19 AM
  #15  
Stuart Dickinson's Avatar
Former Vendor
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 757
Rep Power: 0
Stuart Dickinson Is a GOD !Stuart Dickinson Is a GOD !Stuart Dickinson Is a GOD !Stuart Dickinson Is a GOD !Stuart Dickinson Is a GOD !Stuart Dickinson Is a GOD !Stuart Dickinson Is a GOD !Stuart Dickinson Is a GOD !Stuart Dickinson Is a GOD !Stuart Dickinson Is a GOD !Stuart Dickinson Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by sgt d
forgive me if i am wrong but isn't this engine a jaguar motor that is bored over? does jaguar not have factory supercharged vehicles?
It's a (very) common misconception that the AMV8 engine is an evolution of the Jaguar AJV8. Perhaps because the displacement (4.2 & 4.3) where so close together, and because the DB7 & same generation XK were effectively the same car.

There was also some early literature which stated that the AMV8 was 'loosely based' on the AJV8 and that all the internals were different but this was actually very misleading because it seemed to imply that the block and possibly the head were the same.

In actual fact, as far as I understand it, the AJV8 was used as a 'starting point.' That is to say, that the basic architecture is very similar - bore, stroke, angle of the cylinders etc.... however, although this was used as a starting point, the engine, right down to the block, is a unique and discreet item. Nothing on the Jaguar 4.2 is transferrable to the AMV8 (both 4.3 & 4.7L versions.)
 


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:22 AM.